Yellow car for sale on Pistonheads

[WhyOne?]

Mentioned by scottg as part of another thread, I thought this car was worth a thread of its own being a car which I dont not think is known to NSXCB, and is a very low mileage NA2 manual coupe - a rare beast!

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/4026867.htm

[Legacyman]

its a bit yellow for me!

[WhyOne?]

There is no hiding its yellowness.

However, I quickly realised when I was looking for an NSX you couldn't have too-long a list of 'must haves'.

For me, these were a manual transmission, pop-up lights and a demonstrable service history.

Even with this relatively short list, it took me over a year to find a car I liked!

[Legacyman]

i have still got that poster picture of the red with black roof engraved in my head.
and i don't want to buy a car thinking wrap wrap wrap!!!!
i really don't mind the auto so it could be n12 for me!

[AR]

So it should have had or be ready for the second T-Belt WP etc, yet not mentioned in the add???

[Senninha]

There are a few Essex owners around so if you ask you may find someone willing to come take a look with you ... Indy Pearl is a colour that grows on you and with some nice details can look really good.

If you're looking for an NA2 pop up, done delay would be my advice ....

Good luck

[Lowndes]

In order to keep it in good condition, a pristine looking, low mileage, FSH NA2 pop up could very soon need brake overhaul, CL cylinders, driveshafts, cooling system refresh, AC/CCU refresh plus time/mileage related engine work.

This maintenance will be worth every penny but won't be cheap. Just saying...

[Papalazarou]

Ok first of all and for anyone who's still not getting this; Timing belts are at eight years on 3.2's. This means kiddies that if properly serviced, this car won't need a timing belt until 2017. Second of all. Unless you rallycross your NSX it's also not going to need a driveshaft refurb! As for the other stuff mentioned; AC boards can go, but are easily fixable and how much does it really cost to change the coolant?


Cheers,

James.

[nobby]

i think this would be a cracker buy! not being biased but when prior to going to see my car ... yellow was not on my list at all ... tbh i was very hesitent ... it was sudesh who made me go! :laugh:

but when you see a yellow NSX in the flesh ... your opinion changes as it carries the colour extremely well. as Paul says a few minor cosmetic changes really help to lift the car too!

there would be a number of serviceable items to do on this car ... perhaps not the timing belt but our good ole friend the crankshaft pulley could do with changing as these are known to perish over age as well as use

those hideous spotlights up front DEFO NEED to go

would be tempted in this car myself ... but done way too much to my own car to consider.

nice selection of cars cropping up at the mo ...lurkers etc certainly need to get their fingers out and go look/speak to the vendors

[Lowndes]

Ok first of all and for anyone who's still not getting this; Timing belts are at eight years on 3.2's. This means kiddies that if properly serviced, this car won't need a timing belt until 2017. Second of all. Unless you rallycross your NSX it's also not going to need a driveshaft refurb! As for the other stuff mentioned; AC boards can go, but are easily fixable and how much does it really cost to change the coolant?


Cheers,

James.

Just to clarify, what I meant by coolant system refresh was header tank and hoses not just a top up with coolant. Driveshafts do go on 30k miles cars that have not necessarily been entered in rallycross events, as a check of Kaz recent blogs will show.

As I understood it the OP was seeking information on potential issues in buying a low mileage FSH 11 year old NSX. I was merely posting my own experience.

Thanks

[nobby]

the majority of cars do not give ds problems early on ... kaz stated that this drive shaft was worked at before ... over 60k on my car and no sign of drive shaft issues as discussed by kaz in his blogs ... could be a no of reasons re failure on this particular car.

yes coolant hose replacement is a must for older cars ... this should be factored in early on after purchase as there is likely a long wait for hoses from honda. i am still waiting on a hose ordered a couple of mths ago from dealer

[drmikey]

but when you see a yellow NSX in the flesh ... your opinion changes as it carries the colour extremely well

Couldnt agree more - when we picked up the yellow Targa a few weeks ago for a customer I was surprised how very very nice it looked. And in fact I'd go as far as to say it makes the car look a lot more modern than most of the other colours.

[AR]

Ok first of all and for anyone who's still not getting this; Timing belts are at eight years on 3.2's. This means kiddies that if properly serviced, this car won't need a timing belt until 2017. Second of all. Unless you rallycross your NSX it's also not going to need a driveshaft refurb! As for the other stuff mentioned; AC boards can go, but are easily fixable and how much does it really cost to change the coolant?


Cheers,

James.

Perhaps you don't get it? Or have convinced yourself against factual evidence that Acura/Honda just moved the intervals to suit US over 100k miles for certain components. The belt did not get stronger to go from 6 to 7 to 8 years please!!!

Nobody can tell you the state of timing belt. Have you got one for sale coming up to the interval? Or better yet would you not negotiate the price down if it was coming up to it???

T belt goes engine goes bang as it is an interference engine, no matter how nice the paint looks, got it???

[Lowndes]

The point I was trying to make, albeit with reference to specific examples from my own experience, was that nice low miles FSH NA2 cars may still incur some significant costs to get them up to scratch. In particular on these cars FSH may not mean that much.

Kaz makes the point in his blog Health Check 01 dated 11 June 2012 as follows:

"Once again, as mentioned many times in this Blog, it confirmed my personal view that having full service history, lots of stamps on the log book, lots of receipts for previous services, etc
means almost nothing to me."

The point for potential purchasers of such NA2 cars is that it would be prudent to set aside some contingency funds over and above the purchase price. If asked to quantify this sum I would say £7500.

Thanks

[nobby]

i think this is the type of sum you would need as contingency if there was a big issues with the car ... from looking at this car i would say less than that would be needed. i dont think i have spent anywhere near that on my car and i have had an unforeseen respray to deal with along with almost total a/c refurb etc . :(

if you purchase parts of honda uk and use their d(st)ealers network i guess you would not be long in ramping up the bills but sourcing parts from US and taking your car to a knowledgeable independent specialist you should see this car put right in no time for less than 7k. all imho of course :)


prudent to set aside some contingency funds over and above the purchase price. If asked to quantify this sum I would say £7500.

[AR]

If anyone can just look at a car and know that it would be ok then please give me the Euromillions numbers as I still have not met anyone that is able to tell me that a car is OK by just age, miles and looks.

[Papalazarou]

Perhaps you don't get it? Or have convinced yourself against factual evidence that Acura/Honda just moved the intervals to suit US over 100k miles for certain components. The belt did not get stronger to go from 6 to 7 to 8 years please!!!

Nobody can tell you the state of timing belt. Have you got one for sale coming up to the interval? Or better yet would you not negotiate the price down if it was coming up to it???

T belt goes engine goes bang as it is an interference engine, no matter how nice the paint looks, got it???


No, I get it fine Ary,

The schedule's eight years. Simple as that. Perhaps Honda increased the interval because they were confident the belt was good for the duration. Manufacturers do this all the time. Most recently with the GTR's schedules.
The bottom line for me, is that if people wish to 'over service' their P&J that's fine. But getting a TB changed years earlier than Honda recommend, on a car that's only done 15K miles no less, seems like a great way to waste money.
Of course it's pertinent to check the condition of certain crucial components, but changing for the sake of it doesn't make sense.

lowndes, I understand where you are coming from. I think you're right to say that some cars are better serviced than others, despite having the same stamp in the service book. However, although I've read Kaz's blogs on drive shafts with interest. Refurbing this part continues to be something only a small minority do. Partly because of the expense and partly because although they can be noisy, very few ever fail.

I have great respect for Kaz and his massive expertise with the NSX. But it remains that his standards are considerably higher than those of most NSX owners and mechanics. The majority of our cars will continue to be serviced in franchises and good independents. When a component fails it will be advised or replaced. For those who want the perfect example they can. I imagine it's pretty easy to replace a lot of expensive parts that still have some life left in them. Some owners will be happy to do this.

So in one way I agree with you; you can end up throwing a lot of money at any car to get it into perfect condition. Where I perhaps disagree is when it is necessary to do so. And how perfect that car has to be.
No well kept low mileage car should need much or any money spending on it IMO. However, it's obviously up to the buyer to get it checked out and that should hopefully reflect in the price.
For the reasons above however, I would also disagree with a £7.5K contingency fund. If I'd ever felt that were the case, I would never have owned an NSX.


Cheers,

James.

[AR]

All this discussion amounts to mental self abuse as we do not know afaik the way the owner has or has not maintained the car.

If the t belt is original is 11 to 12 years old. Would you trust 12 year old tyres to perform as intended for as long? Is like trusting a condom made in 2001 because is new!!!

[TheSebringOne]

A rare low mileage example and with a bit of TLC, should be a great buy for someone.
Even though some work may be required, I think with that sort of mileage, price wise its about right?
The John Cooper garage was great when under Honda, tested a couple NSX there before getting mine,
but think its a Vauxhall dealer now !!
Those spots have to go!!

[Lowndes]

This discussion would be much better in the pub but failing that here’s my take on it.

As a starting point I think there is a difference between maintenance and repair in the context of not wanting to throw money at a car unnecessarily. With a new car I would only follow the manufacturer’s recommendations. By way of example I also run 911 Turbo S which I bought new in July 2010. That car has done 12k miles and has had no maintenance whatsoever (it had a recall on the centre locks but that is a different matter). It will have its first service on schedule next week. This is a pretty rudimentary affair, change a few fluids, clean a couple of filters, kick the tyres and on your way Sir. Next service due July 2014. Now the Turbo S is a formidably complex and ferociously fast vehicle which puts out 700Nm torque from 2100rpm, so there are some high stresses generated. Do I feel the need to enhance the maintenance schedule? No Sir. It’s under warranty, fairly new and age related deterioration yet to set in so why waste my money.

Now the NSX. It has full NSX authorised main dealer service history; every stamp in the book done on time to the very last page. So why not just continue with standard service schedules? Well for a start how much time did Honda give to work that would be required for the years 12 to 24 services? Not much is my guess. There would be no empirical data, little by way of precedent and minimal commercial benefit.

So that means we owners are on our own. And that is where the issue becomes one of differentiating between maintenance and repair. For me planned maintenance should in the long run be cheaper than unplanned repair.

Take the drive shafts. Impossible to check without dismantling them which is expensive and time consuming, say £1000 as a maintenance item. But do the same as a repair and the cost is likely to be an order of magnitude greater especially if you are half way up the Susten Pass when it gives out.


Brakes. Say £1500 to refurbish but not an area that makes much sense to run to failure.


Coolant. If tyres have a shelf life of 5-7 years then why expect the hoses to go on for ever?. £1000+.

Clutch, Crank Pulley, Main Relay, AC/CCU, Fuel Filter say £1000+.

Well there is £4500 of sensible prudent maintenance already and we haven’t looked at the engine or bodywork or consumables like tyres and pads. Hence my suggestion of a contingency of £7500.

Cheers.

[WhyOne?]

Good grief guys!

I am all for making sure prospective new NSX owners enter the process with their eyes wide open, but some of the posts in this thread (regarding a car collectively we know very little about, but based on the advert looks like an excellent example of a rare and desirable version of the car) range from ill-informed (timing belt change interval - I imagine most owners stick to Honda's 8 year schedule and there hasn't to my knowledge been a plethora of catastrophic failures) to conjecture and scaremongering - on the face of it, a £7500 contingency fund to keep this car on the road for a year seems somewhat excessive!

My car is very similar to the yellow one - a 2001, NA2 coupe with pop-ups, albeit with a few more miles.

I have owned the car for very nearly 6 years, and during thit time have covered ~16,000 miles. The car had a full Honda service history when I bought it, which to me was important. I have maintained this using a dealership I know and trust well. As well as standard service items (including a timing-belt service) I have renewed items such as ignition coils, timing belt tensioner etc, The a/c board has been away for refurb by Kaz, and of course there have been replacement consumables - most notably tyres. I am absolutely certain that my 6 years / 16,000 miles have cost well under £4,000 (including the prolonged diagnosis / fix of the fuel-feed misfire the car suffered in 2010). Maybe I have been lucky, I know others have certainly been unlucky. My car will need a clutch at some stage (still running on the original) and the coolant pipes are on my list of things to bring back on my next trip to the US.

[Papalazarou]

Good grief guys!

I am all for making sure prospective new NSX owners enter the process with their eyes wide open, but some of the posts in this thread (regarding a car collectively know very little about, but based on the advert looks like an excellent example of a rare and desirable version of the car) range from ill-informed (timing belt change interval - I imagine most owners stick to Honda's 8 year schedule and there hasn't to my knowledge been a plethora of catastrophic failures- to conjecture and scaremongering - on the face of it, a £7500 contingency fund to keep this car on the road for a year seems somewhat excessive!

Hallelujah!

[Nick Graves]

Well said.

Looks a lovely car - even if I believe yellow only really works under blue Californian skies and not under...can anyone see the b loody sky today?

Still, just like Pistonheads, sometimes it takes nothing to start a good internet pissing contest on a slow news day.

[nobby]

CAR NOW SOLD!

not surprising ... looks like a very nice car indeed. Hope the new owner signs up and provides us with details

[NSX 2000]

Well said.

Looks a lovely car - even if I believe yellow only really works under blue Californian skies and not under...can anyone see the b loody sky today?

Still, just like Pistonheads, sometimes it takes nothing to start a good internet pissing contest on a slow news day.

In Nottingham right now, and I can confirm that the sky has not fallen in, and is still up in the "sky"? However I can't see any bl00dy sun!

[AR]

So Honda said 6 then 7 in the US now 8 over here.

It seems that a lot o owners are skimping on maintenance and preventative care yet inflate the price and condition of thei cars come resale time.

Fwiw not many people her talk about NSX problems they had engine or crash due to of wanting to suffer come resale time.

[WhyOne?]

Ary, you seem to have a real problem with the price of NSX's at the moment!

If people were really inflating the asking prices of their cars my guess is that they wouldn't sell.

Was the price of this yellow car inflated in your opinion?

Of course we don't know how much it actually sold for, but I would guess very close to the asking price given it was on the market for ~24 hours!

There have been a number of sales recently (again, same caveat, we don't know the actual sale prices) of apparently strongly priced cars selling within a week of being advertised. I think it is clear that there is currently as strong demand for nice examples of these cars. Would people not be a bit daft not to ask a price for their car and then let the market decide whether or not it is inflated?

[scottg]

The yellow car looked stunning and the red auto has also sold within a week so there is just a manual silver na1 on pistonheads now but I am sure that will be gone by the weekend. Having taken my car to goodwood this weekend I for one can understand exactly why the demand is so high, beats anything else I have ever owned hands down;)

[Geraint]

Two of the things I don't get about this forum:
1. A thread to discuss every car for sale advert, and
2. People arguing that the cars are not worth what they're being advertised for, even though they all seem to sell within a day or two

I don't have a £7.5k contingency fund either, so maybe I should sell my car... for £18k or so. :laugh:

[AR]

Ary, you seem to have a real problem with the price of NSX's at the moment!

If people were really inflating the asking prices of their cars my guess is that they wouldn't sell.

Was the price of this yellow car inflated in your opinion?

Of course we don't know how much it actually sold for, but I would guess very close to the asking price given it was on the market for ~24 hours!

There have been a number of sales recently (again, same caveat, we don't know the actual sale prices) of apparently strongly priced cars selling within a week of being advertised. I think it is clear that there is currently as strong demand for nice examples of these cars. Would people not be a bit daft not to ask a price for their car and then let the market decide whether or not it is inflated?

Mate is not daft to ask high is just Capitalism, what is daft is topay too high.

Bar the fugly fogs the car "seemed" fine and the mileage was very low. Such a car will always command a high prie to the right owner. Can't comment without history, interior shots etc. I don't have a problem with any genuine car as new selling for big money. Lots of other cars do when those conditions are met.

I do no like when sellers flat out LIE about the condition, history etc of a car. Every NSX purchase I have had was preceded by long trawling of ads, behind close door viewings etc. Some of those cars have been advertised as mint and were far from it! Some cars sold and advertised in the last few years have had several issues from crashed to electrical gremlins to mechanical failures. Yet the new owners come on the forum all happy and gay posting pictures and I for one get pissed off at the seller, but don't have the heart to flat out called the new buyer a fool.

There is my dilemma!!!

[Senninha]

A polite reminder to everyone .....

This forum is here to help owners new and old enjoy their NSX.

If you are looking for an NSX and find one, please feel free to ask if anyone has knowledge of the individual car and to reply via PM.
Please also follow the links from the homepage that offer lots of advise and buyers guide information to buying and owning an NSX.

If you do NOT have knowledge of the specific NSX in question, please refrain from becoming judge and jury based on a few photos and the wording in the advert. Not every car will self destruct because its being sold!!

Around 18 mths ago everyone was politely asked to refrain from readvertising every UK NSX that went up for sale - if the seller wishes to register and advertise an NSX here then well done them for finding the forum. Please do not advertise the car for them.

Can this note please bring to an end the recurring 'issues' and 'contingency' posts.

Thank you

NSX CB

[AR]

Paul does that policy not lead to bad examples going under the radar? Is it to protect NSX CB from liability? If there is such a thing on the open web? Or just something Kev laid down?

[Lowndes]

Paul

You have pm.

Nick

[Senninha]

Ary,

My second point addresses your first.
There is no 'liability' on the forum as these are the opinions of individuals.
The debate will remain posted for all to check and view as they wish.

Hi Nick,

Good to hear from you and thanks for your PM to which I've replied, along with several others.

regards,

Paul

[Lowndes]

Hi Nick,

Good to hear from you and thanks for your PM to which I've replied, along with several others.

regards,

Paul

Thanks Paul.

All good here and will be even better when I get my car back!:)

Cheers

Nick

[markc]

This looks like a beautiful example of the one the rarest of all the NSX variations i.e. a NA2 pop-up :cool: Much like IOP, Indy yellow is a bit of a marmite colour and again like IOP really comes to life in the sun where it looks extra fab.

The new owner is a lucky chap, lets hope he/she joins our merry little community for the enjoyment and promotion of all things NSX :D

Cheers

Mark

[scottg]

[QUOTE=markc;95616]This looks like a beautiful example of the one the rarest of all the NSX variations i.e. a NA2 pop-up :cool: Much like IOP, Indy yellow is a bit of a marmite colour and again like IOP really comes to life in the sun where it looks extra fab.

The new owner is a lucky chap, lets hope he/she joins our merry little community for the enjoyment and promotion of all things NSX :D

Cheers

Mark


you have great taste Mark, my car is a pop up NA2 in IOP and it looks awesome in the sunlight. My daily had a fuel leek so is in the garage today so I have pressed the NSX into service, the sun is shinning and it's a great way to make the drive into work fun. Think I may take the long way home tonight:D

[markc]

you have great taste Mark... my car is a pop up NA2 in IOP and it looks awesome in the sunlight. My daily had a fuel leek so is in the garage today so I have pressed the NSX into service, the sun is shinning and it's a great way to make the drive into work fun. Think I may take the long way home tonight:D

You haven't seen the way I dress :D

I suppose diesel is fuel, even if it is the work of the devil ;)

I'm saving fuel myself today by using the Puma (1.7ltr, 4cyl) rather than the Merc (4.3ltr, V8) today. It's been a sunny day in Guildford and just like IOP and Indy Pearl, Imperial Blue (aka RS blue) comes to life in the sun :cool:

Ohh one other thing, what was the chap thinking when he fitted those driving lamps! NSX projectors aren't that bad, assuming you don't have old bulbs. They need to come off immediately.

Cheers

Mark

[Papalazarou]

You haven't seen the way I dress :D

I supposed diesel is fuel, even if it is the work of the devil ;)

I'm saving fuel myself today by using the Puma (1.7ltr, 4cyl) rather than the Merc (4.3ltr, V8) today. It's been a sunny day in Guildford and just like IOP and Indy Pearl, Imperial Blue (aka RS blue) comes to life in the sun :cool:

Ohh one other thing, what was the chap thinking when he fitted those driving lamps! NSX projectors aren't that bad, assuming you don't have old bulbs. They need to come off immediately.

Cheers

Mark

It just needs some tinted windows;)

Cheers,

James.

[scottg]

You haven't seen the way I dress :D

I supposed diesel is fuel, even if it is the work of the devil ;)

I'm saving fuel myself today by using the Puma (1.7ltr, 4cyl) rather than the Merc (4.3ltr, V8) today. It's been a sunny day in Guildford and just like IOP and Indy Pearl, Imperial Blue (aka RS blue) comes to life in the sun :cool:

Ohh one other thing, what was the chap thinking when he fitted those driving lamps! NSX projectors aren't that bad, assuming you don't have old bulbs. They need to come off immediately.

Cheers

Mark

Ok I hang my head in shame but it does over 44 mpg on a run and lets face it Audi do OK with them at Le Mans.
Great little car the Puma remember the cool steve Mcqueen ad when they launched?

[sorepaws]

I just realised I was supposed to have a £7,500 contingency when I bought my NSX 7 years ago - glad I have only spent £3,000 of it so far - means I have another 7+ years to go :-D

[Papalazarou]

This discussion would be much better in the pub but failing that here’s my take on it.

As a starting point I think there is a difference between maintenance and repair in the context of not wanting to throw money at a car unnecessarily. With a new car I would only follow the manufacturer’s recommendations. By way of example I also run 911 Turbo S which I bought new in July 2010. That car has done 12k miles and has had no maintenance whatsoever (it had a recall on the centre locks but that is a different matter). It will have its first service on schedule next week. This is a pretty rudimentary affair, change a few fluids, clean a couple of filters, kick the tyres and on your way Sir. Next service due July 2014. Now the Turbo S is a formidably complex and ferociously fast vehicle which puts out 700Nm torque from 2100rpm, so there are some high stresses generated. Do I feel the need to enhance the maintenance schedule? No Sir. It’s under warranty, fairly new and age related deterioration yet to set in so why waste my money.

Now the NSX. It has full NSX authorised main dealer service history; every stamp in the book done on time to the very last page. So why not just continue with standard service schedules? Well for a start how much time did Honda give to work that would be required for the years 12 to 24 services? Not much is my guess. There would be no empirical data, little by way of precedent and minimal commercial benefit.

So that means we owners are on our own. And that is where the issue becomes one of differentiating between maintenance and repair. For me planned maintenance should in the long run be cheaper than unplanned repair.

Take the drive shafts. Impossible to check without dismantling them which is expensive and time consuming, say £1000 as a maintenance item. But do the same as a repair and the cost is likely to be an order of magnitude greater especially if you are half way up the Susten Pass when it gives out.


Brakes. Say £1500 to refurbish but not an area that makes much sense to run to failure.


Coolant. If tyres have a shelf life of 5-7 years then why expect the hoses to go on for ever?. £1000+.

Clutch, Crank Pulley, Main Relay, AC/CCU, Fuel Filter say £1000+.

Well there is £4500 of sensible prudent maintenance already and we haven’t looked at the engine or bodywork or consumables like tyres and pads. Hence my suggestion of a contingency of £7500.

Cheers.


I'd like to make a few points. First of all, £1500.00 seems a lot for a brake refurb, unless you're replacing disks as well. In which case braided hoses, and dot 5.1 fluid's a good idea.
The hose issue is another bone of contention. UK cars have high levels of antifreeze compared to JDM imports, which essentially means the coolant doesn't generally rot through pipes at the same rate. The only cars I've heard of with hose failure are older JDM imports. I've had the timing belt/water pump changed on two cars I've owned and the coolant was always in fantastic condition. Furthermore, the water pump they took out was showing no signs of wear or corrosion. Combine this with many owners driving around in 15-20 year old cars with what appear to be original coolant hoses, and it seems like serious overkill on a late model car.

Regarding the clutch. Well I guess you just test it as best you can before you buy the car. It's a lottery whatever you buy. The NSX picks up late in the travel, which has certainly freaked out a number of potential owners in the past.
However, your point has some validity as the clutch can work out a lot more expensive than your estimate.
The main relay's £90.00 quid from your local franchise, so no big deal and the AC CCU either works or it doesn't. But again, not a big outlay.

And then we're back to the drive shafts. I can pretty much guarantee that 99% of NSX's out there are still running the original unserviced driveshafts regardless of mileage. If I hadn't started a thread a few years ago about driveshaft clunking, I doubt very much anyone would have ever questioned the low speed clunk-clunk you get from the rear end. In the case of refurbing, I guess you're talking around £500.00 hundred pounds to get them sorted, but in most cases they will revert back to clunking within a matter of days. Certainly this has been the experience of some NSXCB members. However, I concede, because I don't know any better that there is a value to servicing them, but don't see this as a precautionary measure.

Out of the 60k miles I've driven in NSX's over the last seven years, the financial cost has been incredibly low. The largest bill was for the EPS control box that gave up the ghost about two days after I'd bought my first NSX (now deceased apparently). If I'd known better I'd have sent it away and not spent £800.00 on a replacement. However, it was my first NSX and this fault wasn't a common problem, so there was very little information. On the upside, I did eventually send it away, it was fixed for free and I got half my money back. Apart from that, I've replaced an oxygen and a wheel sensor. These can all be bought from motor factors at a fraction of Honda prices. In the same way that service packs can be purchased cheaply from the states. Even Ebay can save you sixty quid on a set of spark plugs, or £250.00 on a water pump for a low mileage late car that arguably doesn't need one.

I'm not saying precautionary and contingency aren't a good idea. I'm just saying that in my experience these cars are pretty tough. And, that in an ideal world we would go crazy and replace multiple parts on a regular basis. The reality is that many of us cannot afford to do this, so we do what's needed when it's needed, unless there is a valid reason.


Cheers,

James.

[Lowndes]

James

I have sent you a PM

Cheers

Nick

[Alf Tupper]

I’ve had the brakes overhauled (rebuilt callipers, Goodridge stainless hoses and brake master cylinder) and £1500 is about the right ball park figure.

A contingency fund is always a good idea, the size would depend on the age/condition of the car and how risk averse the owner is.

[PeterW]

The hose issue is another bone of contention. UK cars have high levels of antifreeze compared to JDM imports, which essentially means the coolant doesn't generally rot through pipes at the same rate. The only cars I've heard of with hose failure are older JDM imports. .

I'm sure you're right, but I'd anyway inspect the hoses periodically. My 1996 70k mile UK car had a very squishy looking central under floor hose (19518-PR7-A00) which looked ready to go. Happily fixed before it failed. It's not in a place where it gets hot or oily, so this was just down to deterioration of the pipe wall. All other things being equal, large diameter hoses like this are more likely to fail than small ones (when it's under pressure the hoop stress in the pipe wall is proportional to the diameter of the pipe).
Peter

[mjames75]

IMHO im fairly new to NSX ownership and im going by.............if it's not broke...dont fix it! saves money and makes sense. I know sometimes prevention is better but I bought a Honda and not a Ferrari!

Mike

[Lowndes]

A polite reminder to everyone .....

This forum is here to help owners new and old enjoy their NSX.

If you are looking for an NSX and find one, please feel free to ask if anyone has knowledge of the individual car and to reply via PM.
Please also follow the links from the homepage that offer lots of advise and buyers guide information to buying and owning an NSX.

If you do NOT have knowledge of the specific NSX in question, please refrain from becoming judge and jury based on a few photos and the wording in the advert. Not every car will self destruct because its being sold!!

Around 18 mths ago everyone was politely asked to refrain from readvertising every UK NSX that went up for sale - if the seller wishes to register and advertise an NSX here then well done them for finding the forum. Please do not advertise the car for them.

Can this note please bring to an end the recurring 'issues' and 'contingency' posts.

Thank you

NSX CB

Could someone please clarify whether or not this thread is still open for comment on matters other than those specific to the Yellow car.

Thanks

[NSXGB]

Dont see why not, crack on. Or start a new specific thread maybe?



Could someone please clarify whether or not this thread is still open for comment on matters other than those specific to the Yellow car.

Thanks

[Senninha]

Thread remains open for those wishing to extend the discussion ...

[Nick Graves]

I believe the car is now sold.

Presumably it's now permissible to discuss it again?

So long as it doesn't include mention of contingency. Oh bollocks...

[Geraint]

A polite reminder to everyone .....

This forum is here to help owners new and old enjoy their NSX.

If you are looking for an NSX and find one, please feel free to ask if anyone has knowledge of the individual car and to reply via PM.
Please also follow the links from the homepage that offer lots of advise and buyers guide information to buying and owning an NSX.

If you do NOT have knowledge of the specific NSX in question, please refrain from becoming judge and jury based on a few photos and the wording in the advert. Not every car will self destruct because its being sold!!

Around 18 mths ago everyone was politely asked to refrain from readvertising every UK NSX that went up for sale - if the seller wishes to register and advertise an NSX here then well done them for finding the forum. Please do not advertise the car for them.

Can this note please bring to an end the recurring 'issues' and 'contingency' posts.

Thank you

NSX CB
I don't think people listened... :(

[Sudesh]

Probably won't listen, especially when they see the new add for the yellow car lol!

[nobby]

Dear God!! :eek:

u gotta love it!!!

at least he removed the shocking spot lights before readvertising


Probably won't listen, especially when they see the new add for the yellow car lol!

[WhyOne?]

Crickey!!!

[nobby]

u think he would have waited till the previous listing was removed :eek:

seems to have lost 1000 miles too ...

this car has gained and lost some in quick succession

[PeteM]

I don't think people listened... :(I think some people just can't help themselves

[nobby]

i have not referenced the 'car' in my posts, or made any non factual statements; just reading what i have read :no:

[Sudesh]

I need to re think the price of mine now too lol

That yellow car looks lovely, those silver wheels make the car

[nobby]

dont be selling ur car!!!

and i am not biting re that last sentence! :)


I need to re think the price of mine now too lol

That yellow car looks lovely, those silver wheels make the car

[Sudesh]

dont be selling ur car!!!

and i am not biting re that last sentence! :)

I have no idea what your talking about!

Do you not like those very VERY NICE SILVER wheels?

[Ewan]

Interestingly, I see the same car has appeared on Autotrader - 1 owner, supposedly (?) and it's listed as a Trader sale. http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201228478814818/sort/default/usedcars/model/nsx/make/honda/radius/1500/saved-search-id/2c929987375a64fa0137731cab470028/postcode/nn128na/page/1?logcode=pp&atcide=emc-cars-SSA008 and http://www.sh-car-sales.co.uk/used-cars/honda-nsx-3-2-v6-2dr-bedford-201228478814819. The PH ad looks like it's from a private seller. Tsk tsk.

[Senninha]

Crickey!!!

Looks like you had better call the insurance company Ian, think you may have under valued your beauty!

[Sudesh]

Add has now disappeared from pistonheads, me thinks the seller either seen this thread, or realised the old add for the car is still up on PH

[soddy]

why the large asking prices? are they so rare now that they can be sold for that money so easily?

[Sudesh]

why the large asking prices? are they so rare now that they can be sold for that money so easily?

Hope so lol

[Problem Child]

Hope so lol

Imagine what the price would be if it was Red!

[Sudesh]

Imagine what the price would be if it was Red!

I know!

It's like winning the lottery lol

[WhyOne?]

Looks like you had better call the insurance company Ian, think you may have under valued your beauty!

If that car sells for that price, I think there will be a few of us re-appraising 'agreed values' Paul!

[havoc]

I said it on the other thread - I think that trader is being rather TOO greedy...asking 8.5k over the private sale advert is just the same as these people who buy gig tickets and try and flog them for a big profit.

Plus, that's decent 355 money / 360 money, and much as I rate the NSX, I think an F-car will always carry a premium, like-for-like.

[Sudesh]

I said it on the other thread - I think that trader is being rather TOO greedy...asking 8.5k over the private sale advert is just the same as these people who buy gig tickets and try and flog them for a big profit.

Plus, that's decent 355 money / 360 money, and much as I rate the NSX, I think an F-car will always carry a premium, like-for-like.

Stop trying to talk prices down lol, it's worth every single penny!

It's just the person he bought it off sold too cheap lol

[havoc]

:D


Plus random words to make the post long enough...

[scottg]

Add has now disappeared from pistonheads, me thinks the seller either seen this thread, or realised the old add for the car is still up on PH


Pistonheads may have removed the ad if they realised it was a dealer advertising as a private seller?

[Papalazarou]

I said it on the other thread - I think that trader is being rather TOO greedy...asking 8.5k over the private sale advert is just the same as these people who buy gig tickets and try and flog them for a big profit.

Plus, that's decent 355 money / 360 money, and much as I rate the NSX, I think an F-car will always carry a premium, like-for-like.

I think that what riles NSX owner enthusiasts is people who have no emotional tie with the product seemingly making profits here and there. We're territorial. I feel the same when I'm mountain biking and I happen apon a bunch of weekend riders telling me which are the best trails. I want them to go back to the home counties.

Regarding price comparison with F cars. I think the 355's a good comparison, but the 360 doesn't appear to hold the same appeal. It's a bit of a money pit and the moulded front end didn't appeal to everyone.
I also don't think we should get hung up about comparison cars.
The argument stands, if you want a cat you won't buy a dog.
The NSX seems to have a well defined neiche these days and current market values seem to affirm this.
The biggest question is where the demarcation exists between year models? Is a 55 plate really worth considerably more that an 02 or 03 with similar mileage?
Is a late pop-up worth more or less than an early facelift?
I guess it depends on preference. But more importantly, availability. And as we know there's little or no choice and these cars sell very quickly.

Cheers,

James.

[Sudesh]

It's back!

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/4064469.htm

[Papalazarou]

It's back!

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/4064469.htm



Ok guys, it's a bit of a challenge, but lets see whether we can get through a day without an uninformed comment about a car we know nothing about?



Cheers,


James.

[Sudesh]

Ok guys, it's a bit of a challenge, but lets see whether we can get through a day without an uninformed comment about a car we know nothing about?



Cheers,


James.

I like it! Looks very clean and great value.

Im definitely going to consider selling mine.

[WhyOne?]

Ok guys, it's a bit of a challenge, but lets see whether we can get through a day without an uninformed comment about a car we know nothing about?



Am I allowed to say that a little bit of punctuation wouldn't go amiss in that advert?

[sorepaws]

Am I allowed to say that a little bit of punctuation wouldn't go amiss in that advert?

No - just take a deep breath and read it out loud :-D

[Nick Graves]

Am I allowed to say that a little bit of punctuation wouldn't go amiss in that advert?

NoYouJustCapitaliseEveryWordInstead.

Makes the seller look slightly insane. Good job it's an NSX and not a chainsaw.

[WhyOne?]

..... Good job it's an NSX and not a chainsaw.

Oh I don't know.

I am pretty sure you could wreak a fair amount of carnage in an NSX if you really put your mind to it!

[Papalazarou]

Well done guys. "you're doing really well;)"
Just another ten and a half hours left!

[nobby]

its gone again from the list of sales link works, presumably cause the original sale is still there ... am i allowed to say that?



It's back!

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/4064469.htm

[AR]

Am I allowed to say that the bolster on the driver's bolster looks a bit worn?

[Nick Graves]

Oh I don't know.

I am pretty sure you could wreak a fair amount of carnage in an NSX if you really put your mind to it!

I am sure one could get a body in the boot quite easily, too.

[Papalazarou]

Am I allowed to say that the bolster on the driver's bolster looks a bit worn?

Yes you are. Because its factual. The picture clearly shows two diagonal wear marks.
You can't say; I think this has been crashed. Because its hearsay.
However, you can bleat on about high prices and how these cars 'aren't really very good.' it's not a widely held point of view. It's certainly not popular. But you can say it.

[Senninha]

Interesting change in signature James ... ;o) you're too funny!

[Papalazarou]

Interesting change in signature James ... ;o) you're too funny!


Thanks Paul,


I'm getting the T-shirt printed tomorrow.


Cheers,


James.

[Geraint]

I'm getting the T-shirt printed tomorrow.
:cool:

I'm going to get one with a QR code that takes you to the NSX section of the PH classifieds. It'll save people having to come on here first.

[Lankstarr]

Doesn't look like a dealer stealer selling it

[Ewan]

It's on AutoTrader as a dealer ad - http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201228478814818, with 1k miles more than the PH ad, and strangely, only 1 owner.

[scottg]

Doesn't look like a dealer stealer selling it

Pit is a dealer if you look on auto trader, SMS cars is the trading name I think.

[Problem Child]

I am sure one could get a body in the boot quite easily, too.

Had my wife in the boot recently (so to speak)....she fitted quite easily!