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Papalazarou
28-03-2014, 10:44 AM
Just wondered what members thoughts were about the impending new Honda sports car having a section on NSXCB? Or, whether it should be treated as a totally different entity?
I guess people know my opinion. So I'll keep it brief. I don't think it remotely resembles the original concept. It isn't a Japanese product. As a result, aesthetically it looks like a concept designed for the USDM. So, for me it's a big no. But very interested in opinions.
Cheers.
goldtop
28-03-2014, 11:34 AM
I 100% agree with your opinion on the new car, it does not (yet!) float my boat.
But it IS an NSX, I'd love to see some at club meets, and it should have a section of its own here, IMHO.
nobby
28-03-2014, 12:31 PM
it was a mistake to build the car outside of Japan, that being said it deserves being here as it carries the name.
hope to see it at FoS and get a better opinion of it
It should have its OWN section on here as it does with our brothers and sisters in the US
Problem Child
28-03-2014, 12:31 PM
Just wondered what members thoughts were about the impending new Honda sports car having a section on NSXCB? Or, whether it should be treated as a totally different entity?I guess people know my opinion. So I'll keep it brief. I don't think it remotely resembles the original concept. It isn't a Japanese product. As a result, aesthetically it looks like a concept designed for the USDM. So, for me it's a big no. But very interested in opinions.Cheers.If they,re daft enough to pay the reported price for a battery powered car, let them into NSXCB and charge them a premium!
I supposed a sub section could be added, apparently there are 47 orders or so last time I checked, so they will have to go somewhere.
It is an NSX after all, same as 996 is as much a Porsche as a 993, as far as the factory is concerned.
b1gbrad
28-03-2014, 01:36 PM
As far as I can tell this is a forum for NSX owners and enthusiasts. The new "Honda Sports car" has the NSX moniker. It seems pretty obvious to me!
I used to be part of the Caterham 7 owners club "blatchat" - did they differentiate between original Lotus built cars, Caterham S3, and Caterham SV? No.
Don't be afraid of progress.
havoc
28-03-2014, 01:53 PM
It's been given the name NSX. It's the new 'halo' car for Honda, same as our steed was 25 years ago. And it's technologically advanced, like our car was, rather than derivative*.
So yes, there should be a section on here and I'll welcome owners to the club with open arms. Any other response risks us becoming like the MG owners club, looking down their noses at "Rover" MGs...
* OK, maybe not in the same way, but it's still among the first to bring such tech to the market, at least below stratospheric prices.
flyingsniffer
28-03-2014, 02:40 PM
If they,re daft enough to pay the reported price for a battery powered car, let them into NSXCB and charge them a premium!
Geoff,
Don't you own a Lexus RX400h?
Just asking, as they say.
Problem Child
28-03-2014, 05:39 PM
Geoff,Don't you own a Lexus RX400h? Just asking, as they say.Sadly gone now....Thats different though....whilst it was a super car, its not being sold as a supercar. IMHO using the NSX brand for this new car is simply a marketing exercise. It was designed in America, being built in America with American sourced parts......Hmmmmm....its not an NSX as we know and love it
goldtop
28-03-2014, 07:08 PM
Sadly gone now....Thats different though....whilst it was a super car, its not being sold as a supercar. IMHO using the NSX brand for this new car is simply a marketing exercise. It was designed in America, being built in America with American sourced parts......Hmmmmm....its not an NSX as we know and love it
Perhaps you'll forgive Honda for not wanting such a sales disaster as our original, beloved, NSX? ;)
Nothing wrong with American built vehicles, planes, liberty ships...
lotusolly
28-03-2014, 09:40 PM
The new NSX is a very different car to our P & J's but if it wasn't would anybody want one?
I think the changes stand out more than with other marques because the original NSX has never really been developed since its launch. Let's face it even the NA2's and facelift cars are still essentially a car that was designed 25 years ago.
A 458 is nothing like a 328 but the changes are not so dramatically thought off because there was a number of other models spreading the development in between.
The original NSX was designed to move its market sector on to another level which it did to our delight rather well. I think the new NSX is trying to make the same step but now there is a new catergory of hypercars giving technology that is way out of the budget in which the NSX can be marketed.
This means the new NSX is not so likely to come with features previously unseen on other cars but I see it as Honda trying to bring Hypercar technology into the supercar sector and hybrid/KERS systems are very much a part of that. Although it might not be to our tastes, I don't see that any manufacturer could currently look to produce a car without using these technologies for todays market.
I think the lack of development of our cars left the general pubic with a belief that the NSX was no more special than any other high end Japanese car and it was the speculation of the new car that reminded people that the NSX is a supercar and resulted in the surge in values.
The new car is still going to badged as an NSX and will be Honda's halo car with the same spirit of bringing new development to the market sector and should be welcomed as part of this forum.
I suspect that most potential purchasers of the new car are viewing the forum anyway if not already long standing members.
Olly
TheSebringOne
30-03-2014, 10:25 PM
I think with the new model also being called the NSX, a sub section on here should be
considered. Also with both models being Honda's or Acura's halo cars, then it is more
appropriate?
Alf Tupper
31-03-2014, 03:46 PM
The new car will be badged as an NSX and it is nsxcb after all, so I can't any reason why it shouldn't be here.
Sonic
31-03-2014, 08:55 PM
I'm not entirely sure it should be called an 'NSX', maybe leave that unique to the legend?
It would be nice if it had shades of the original in the design, but it look's a little bland. Also not a fan of it being turbo charged - just doesn't seem right for a Honda used to screaming Vtecs over the years though! :) The electric motors on the front wheels seem a little gimmicky but i guess they are going to tie it in with their return to F1 with the hybrid technology. They will add weight though...
Finally the way Honda seem to be heading with the pricing also has hints of deja vu about it, i.e. too much against the very high end sports/super car manufacturers without the kudos. All imo of course, only time will tell...!
havoc
01-04-2014, 09:15 PM
Not sure why all the negative comments about the USA.
Granted they've not got the most comprehensive history in supercar design, but then (a) neither did Japan when the NSX was designed! and (b) the Hennessey Venom is by all accounts not just quick in a straight line but a bloody good steer too...
Naturally we all love 'our' NSX, but I think we could get a little carried-away with worship of a car which, in most driving regards, is no better than a 987/981 Boxster-S / Cayman-S (hardly a criticism, but a fair comment I think), and which if it wasn't for the Senna association wouldn't be held in quite as high esteem by the markets. Let's keep open minds here, eh guys???
Not sure why all the negative comments about the USA.
Granted they've not got the most comprehensive history in supercar design, but then (a) neither did Japan when the NSX was designed! and (b) the Hennessey Venom is by all accounts not just quick in a straight line but a bloody good steer too...
Naturally we all love 'our' NSX, but I think we could get a little carried-away with worship of a car which, in most driving regards, is no better than a 987/981 Boxster-S / Cayman-S (hardly a criticism, but a fair comment I think), and which if it wasn't for the Senna association wouldn't be held in quite as high esteem by the markets. Let's keep open minds here, eh guys???
I agree with you. I don't know why all the US negativity. Lets not forget that the Mustang was bringing power to the masses and the Corvette can compete with the best of them.
NZNick
02-04-2014, 03:57 AM
I'll reserve judgement until it is properly out in the wild. If it is an affordable but not as extreme McLaren P1, then Honda, sorry Acura will have done a good job. Where it is made shouldn't make any difference these days, unless it is truly hand fettled, which, I understand, it won't be.
Papalazarou
03-04-2014, 04:41 PM
I think it does matters where it is built. Cars farmed out to other countries often suffer from a decline in build standards. Mercedes comes to mind with the US built MLs. As does early British made Hondas.
When I think of American cars as a whole, I think of cars made to a price, with outdated drivetrains, suspension and dynamics.
The corvette does stand up well to the competition in performance tests however. Although it and other US sports cars are always marked down for build quality and dynamics. I guess this can be forgiven in the price.
The thing that makes the new Honda a no go for me, apart from the price. Is the obvious USDM styling. If it was closer to the earlier concept; looked remotely like an NSX, I'd be interested. As it is, it could be the offering from any of a number of manufacturers. There is IMO nothing which singles it out as a Honda.
As for letting it loose on NSXCB. For the reasons above, I think it should have its own forum. However, I'm usually in the minority, so I look forward to the first wave of self congratulatory owner, patting each other on the back in light of their new purchases.
Cheers.
Senninha
03-04-2014, 10:02 PM
Apart from the fairly obvious market size and therefore sales return on investment angle, I understood one of the reasons to be of reducing risk following the sad losses and events around the Tsunami.
So many lives were lost but also many of the businesses that make Japan a success suffered huge operational impact and commercial losses that spreading its manufacturer globally does in some why reduce a potential repeat.
The latest reports I read said that the concept will not be shown again. The next time the car is seen it will be in launch spec which I understand to be a more Honda corporate front end, centred exhausts, non bling wheels and minor interior tweaks.
I will set about opening the Next Gen space, I odnt see why we shouldnt do this, will be done as soon as I get some spare time guys ...
regards, Paul
I dont think that the NSX owners will have much to worry about regarding interiors, if the USA can deliver a car for around £ 33k with and interior like this, what can they do for 100K???
http://www.chevrolet.com/corvette-stingray/interior-pictures.html
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Nick Graves
05-04-2014, 03:34 PM
First off, the new car is entirely engineered by Honda in Japan. The Septics are not trusted with any of it by the J-men control freaks.
Where it's built is probably immaterial; you can make up your own jokes about Swindonese CTRs or Mexican Jazzes/HR-Vs. Other than Acuras made in US are usually of far inferior perceived quality to Japanese-built ones.
Senninha
08-07-2014, 08:15 PM
Interesting 'new look' in Japanese June 2014 ....
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac100/rm4two69/Mobile%20Uploads/1404762529_zps02578038.jpg
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac100/rm4two69/Mobile%20Uploads/1404762529_zps02578038.jpg
has much more of an evolutionary look to it ... I can see the 02 front .... And the revised rear looks fresher too
Silver Surfer
10-07-2014, 12:30 AM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ZzLNr1WZt5Y/U4s1Ns4YEFI/AAAAAAAABFc/nT0brb2RQ0g/s1600/S2000_render_front.jpg
SS
goldtop
10-07-2014, 07:36 AM
So they're beginning to tone it down a bit.
But I'm guessing that the figure in the caption 400 x 10000 yen (= approx £23000) isn't the new NSX's price!
Kaz-kzukNA1
10-07-2014, 07:40 AM
Probably you are aware but it's not NSX and just image sketch by someone (probably based on new NSX design) for the rumoured next gen S2000......
Kaz
goldtop
10-07-2014, 05:16 PM
Thanks Kaz.
There's more than a hint of the (abandoned?) 2014 Esprit about this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/2013_Lotus_Esprit_Front_Quarter.jpg
Senninha
10-07-2014, 05:19 PM
Thanks Kaz.
There's more than a hint of the (abandoned?) 2014 Esprit about this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/2013_Lotus_Esprit_Front_Quarter.jpg
Thats exactly what I thought when I saw it ... could Honda have hired the designer after the new Lotus team was dissolved?
Rdevelopments
22-07-2014, 12:25 PM
https://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t1.0-9/10446632_669728043113809_1115405827488113712_n.jpg
Some new nurburgring test pictures showed up today;
http://www.worldcarfans.com/114072278572/2015-hondaacura-nsx-spied-at-the-nrburgring-hiding-production
Problem Child
22-07-2014, 04:33 PM
https://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t1.0-9/10446632_669728043113809_1115405827488113712_n.jpg Some new nurburgring test pictures showed up today;http://www.worldcarfans.com/114072278572/2015-hondaacura-nsx-spied-at-the-nrburgring-hiding-productionUnimpressed...Looks like any other modern supercar...uninspired. At least when the NA1 came out we all held our breath and thought this was something different. It was THE car we all had a poster of on our bedroom wall.... The 2015 model looks like a modern ferrari, or mclaren, or aston martin etc etc etc etc
Rdevelopments
23-07-2014, 07:20 AM
Some video footage;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfB5eHO1nq4&feature=youtu.be
Dragonlady
23-07-2014, 04:15 PM
I hope that was only 50% effort!!! As it wasn't going that much quicker than the 4x4 and that soft roader!
It did seem to corner flat though, but not much bark.
Ian
britlude
23-07-2014, 04:36 PM
never seen the point of a fine-print camouflage, you can still see the lines... dazzle graphics or a wrap in a different car picture would really disguise it!
apart from that it's 'meh'! lol
Senninha
23-07-2014, 07:01 PM
I hope that was only 50% effort!!! As it wasn't going that much quicker than the 4x4 and that soft roader!
It did seem to corner flat though, but not much bark.
Ian
Fairly obvious they're not there (yet) to set a timed lap but purely for long running ... that said they were not exactly hanging around and it definately looks very stable on what looked to be quite a late turn in ... liking it more and more but irrelevant really as out of reach ...
Now what they need to do is convert the 'last' evolution that became the JGTC racer into the next S2K with a folding hardtop jobbie and Im very interested ...
Looks very heavy and tall!
Rdevelopments
24-07-2014, 12:07 PM
And it's gone;
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t31.0-8/10467092_670773373009276_82193235463006539_o.jpg
http://www.autowereld.com/nieuws/spyshots/id/21449/gemende-gevoelens-rond-honda-nsx
britlude
24-07-2014, 12:26 PM
And still can't tell the engine orientation...
...
Senninha
24-07-2014, 12:35 PM
And still can't tell the engine orientation...
...
If you expand the photo on a tablet it no longer appears transverse ....
OMG :( Any news other than to presume a hybrid issue?
The upside, its looka as though it may have (had) a panoramic roof panel
goldtop
24-07-2014, 02:47 PM
Bodywork appears to be woven wickerwork?
More pix and scant info here: https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.autowereld.com%2Fnieuws%2Fspysh ots%2Fid%2F21449%2Fgemende-gevoelens-rond-honda-nsx
NSXGB
24-07-2014, 03:08 PM
Bodywork appears to be woven wickerwork?
More pix and scant info here: https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.autowereld.com%2Fnieuws%2Fspysh ots%2Fid%2F21449%2Fgemende-gevoelens-rond-honda-nsx
LOL, great translation....must have been the vending machine that went up in flames...maybe an option on the new car......
britlude
24-07-2014, 03:52 PM
mmm toasty...
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/10509663_670866129666667_2235603309698266342_n.jpg
once again I hope they get the size right this time around. The drivers look very short, I sure hope they have done some market research!!!
mjames75
24-07-2014, 09:18 PM
never knew there was a size problem, seen creatures great and small driving NSX's!
WhyOne?
25-07-2014, 06:41 AM
Likewise, this is the first I have heard of the original NSX having trouble accommodating drivers.
My belief has always been that the car broke new ground for a mid-engined supercar with regards to driving position / visibility for drivers great and small?
goldtop
25-07-2014, 07:56 AM
C'mon guys. I'm just a smidge under 6ft, and even then, my head sometimes touches the roof of the targa at the side (not quite touching the roof of the coupe).
Anyone 6' 1" or more must have real problems.
Papalazarou
25-07-2014, 08:07 AM
C'mon guys. I'm just a smidge under 6ft, and even then, my head sometimes touches the roof of the targa at the side (not quite touching the roof of the coupe).
Anyone 6' 1" or more must have real problems.
I'm the same height as you and not far from the roof. Ocassionally my head will touch the side. Geraint is I think around 6.5" and has made a lower seat pad to allow him more head groom. Certainly if you take the car on track, it's going to be a squeeze wearing a helmet regardless of height and stature.
andystevo
25-07-2014, 08:43 AM
The passenger side is hopeless.
I decided not to ask a 6'5" mate to accompany me on the recent Europe trip due to the severe lack of legroom. Just doesn't compare to his Tuscan which is huge inside with loads of places to store the crap you inevitably pick up during long distance road trips (I probably wouldn't have a Tuscan myself but I have to say a very impressive & likeable car).
It is not only the height, but shoulder width that I've found to be a problem.
tapav
04-10-2014, 05:58 PM
First off, the new car is entirely engineered by Honda in Japan. The Septics are not trusted with any of it by the J-men control freaks.
Where it's built is probably immaterial; you can make up your own jokes about Swindonese CTRs or Mexican Jazzes/HR-Vs. Other than Acuras made in US are usually of far inferior perceived quality to Japanese-built ones.
..Entirely?! Where did you get this information? It looks very American to me! These links seem to imply most R&D / design was done in the states..
http://www.honda.com/newsandviews/article.aspx?id=7190-en
http://www.hondanews.com/channels/acura-automobiles-nsx
Nick Graves
05-10-2014, 01:52 PM
..Entirely?! Where did you get this information? It looks very American to me! These links seem to imply most R&D / design was done in the states..
http://www.honda.com/newsandviews/article.aspx?id=7190-en
http://www.hondanews.com/channels/acura-automobiles-nsx
Pretty reliable insider on ToV.
The powertrain/electrickery is Japanese (even if the Septics had to convince them the original spec. was far too weak - hence engine is now inline & turbo'd) but the body style/interior is US and so is the final tuning/setting up. The ally/cf body in white is pretty much Japanese, too.
Plus, American engineers shoot their mouths off & Japanese don't; otherwise there'd be zero info to date!
Press releases are invariably only part of the story. They won't mention Honda is considering other spin-offs from the plank, such as a Dualnote or S2000...
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