New NSX delayed - again (no sniggering!)

[goldtop]

US customers won't get anything this year - Spring 2016 at the earliest, so perhaps late 2016 for UK customers.

More here: http://www.automobilemag.com/features/news/1508-2017-acura-nsx-production-delayed-until-spring-2016/

[HPGeezer]

Okay

I've just returned from the US where I took in the LA Auto Show
Talking with the Acura (agency) stand staff, they are telling customers they will be able to order in the spring for delivery in the fall

how many of us are now starting to get just a tadd pissed off with the NO NEWS?

the show car on the stand was Black (and they didn't have the keys), the press day car was white and yeap they had keys to that one.

[havoc]

Honda really don't seem to have anyone who understands premium-car marketing, do they? This whole thing is becoming a long, drawn-out farce...I just hope that customers are happy when they (eventually) get their cars...

[NZNick]

^ It certainly seems that way. This car has been almost ready for what, 3 years?, and still no customer cars available, and no sign of any before Q2 2016, with the prospect of none outside North America until 2017 at the earliest!

[Pride]

^ It certainly seems that way. This car has been almost ready for what, 3 years?, and still no customer cars available, and no sign of any before Q2 2016, with the prospect of none outside North America until 2017 at the earliest!

I could say I told you so but you already know that anyway:)

The UK imo will be lucky to get even a magazine review on the car next year and as for delivery, well 2018 is looking more and more likely at every show it attends.:):(

It's farcical.

[AR]

Honda really needs to wake up to what the rest of the automotive world is doing, as have moved on, think Z06!

[marknsx]

Talking to those in the know the new Tyre R Civic misses its mark too. Too harsh for the road and not trimmed for those who want a track car. Is this insistence with Honda to put every conceivable new development in their top end motors not just blinding them from the obvious target markets. The Honda/Acura mark will never sell as well as the exclusive european brands outside Japan. Honda seem to get that with the pricing. But, not the marketing.

[havoc]

So, the important question...is all this long drawn-out faff and gilding the lily going to be good or bad for NA1/NA2 values?


(Lights blue touchpaper and waits for Ary to bite... ;) )

[AR]

So, the important question...is all this long drawn-out faff and gilding the lily going to be good or bad for NA1/NA2 values?


(Lights blue touchpaper and waits for Ary to bite... ;) )

Well look at it this way, how many NSX were on the market when you were looking for one???

Does that sounds like a confident market?

[WhyOne?]

Well look at it this way, how many NSX were on the market when you were looking for one???

Does that sounds like a confident market?

Eh????????

[havoc]

Indeed...had mine for >6 years now...think Ary has me confused with someone else...

[AR]

No confusion, there are more NSX for sale now than there were in the past!

[AR]

I clearly remember when both your cars were for sale before you bought them.

[havoc]

Ary - you really are on a downer on NSX values and 'the market', aren't you? Does it bother you that much that you cashed-out before they shot-up, or are you just aggrieved that the whole classic/supercar market doesn't reflect useable value and is being taken over by investors (I sympathise with the second point - you know my car - I bought to drive, not to 'invest').



The UK imo will be lucky to get even a magazine review on the car next year and as for delivery, well 2018 is looking more and more likely at every show it attends.:):(

:cough: evo / Chris Harris ;)

[Senninha]

The new NSX will really have to deliver something unique in terms of dynamic capability ... Although initial feedback suggests the NA3 will be leaning towards everyday drivability like our versions did before many started 'tweaking'. More fo used versions are likely to follow soon, so maybe Honda are learning some Marketting skills and will follow the Audi model releasing something new every 18 months or so ....

The Classic market is all over the place .. £62k for an Escort confirms this IMO ... but unless you are in the market, be that buying or selling, then as a casual observer it can make for interesting forum posts.

Referring to the market confidence point, and the volumes for sale, in most months if you dismiss the Plans adverts for car no longer for sale or yet available, the number of 'real' enthusiast cars coming to market hasn't significantly changed. Don't get me wrong, a few cars have clearly been pulled out of garages due to apparent market values, and as always, only buyer and sellers know the real price.

And to Ary, thanx. You helped me many times and I know you have without hesitation offered support and guidance to many over the years. Your comments do suggest you are a little more surprised than many as to how the value in the market has changed for the NA1/2 models. There are a few tucked away that need TLC so remain affordable. I'd suggest that the apparent stability in the market also makes the now higher valued examples still affordable on the basis that one keeps them stock(ish) and maintained. Maybe you'll find one and be back in the family one day?

Forums are fun, open to interpretation and opinion. Whatever individuals think on this on or topics is fine so long as written with respect for others.

And for those watching the 'other' new Honda today, lets all hope they take the maccer of its diet, give the power unit room to breath and the can finally release the 160 odd ponies that have been shy all season. 30kph missing for the end of the main straights is an impossible ask on Jenson & Alonso ....

rgds, Paul

[Silver Surfer]

NA3..?? Paul

(just to help you to your 5000post) ;-)

SS

[Senninha]

NA3..?? Paul

(just to help you to your 5000post) ;-)

SS

Ha Ha, I was using NA3 to save writing 'still waiting to see on UK roads 2016/17/18 new model NSX Hybrid SHAWD' ... but as your post raises the question of model designation, does anyone know what it is to be or have an objection to the use of NA3? :)

[havoc]

I'm sure I've seen NC1.

[Silver Surfer]

Or is it FI-EV1 SHAWD.....for the late one

SS

[Nick Graves]

It is NC1; I read it on an Acura windshield VIN somewhere on the internet.

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/11225435_863431357072156_3934284393813235548_n.jpg ?oh=aa9a4d4f59a2e998e59248d8c6feb9c0&oe=56F6F43C

I use to use 'NA3' as shorthand for the version of our cars they should have made in the early oughties; some Legend switchgear/console, probably the C35 from the HSC and a few other subtle upgrades.

[Pride]

does anyone know what it is to be or have an objection to the use of NA3? :)

Definatly NOT (Naturally Aspirated) NA3

TT1 (Twin Turbo) maybe😎

[AR]

Ary - you really are on a downer on NSX values and 'the market', aren't you? Does it bother you that much that you cashed-out before they shot-up, or are you just aggrieved that the whole classic/supercar market doesn't reflect useable value and is being taken over by investors (I sympathise with the second point - you know my car - I bought to drive, not to 'invest').

:cough: evo / Chris Harris ;)
OK here we go:

You mentioned values, not me, I simply stated that people re either trying to cash up, or the ones for sale are from expert/dealers, the sames that were messing up NSXs a few years back.

Your cars and many others that are not shall we say collector cars, are well known by the community and now that values have risen, car will be more rigorously scrutinised.

Do you remember when you were taking the piss out of my old NSX on PH???

[AR]

And to Ary, thanx. You helped me many times and I know you have without hesitation offered support and guidance to many over the years. Your comments do suggest you are a little more surprised than many as to how the value in the market has changed for the NA1/2 models. There are a few tucked away that need TLC so remain affordable. I'd suggest that the apparent stability in the market also makes the now higher valued examples still affordable on the basis that one keeps them stock(ish) and maintained. Maybe you'll find one and be back in the family one day?

Forums are fun, open to interpretation and opinion. Whatever individuals think on this on or topics is fine so long as written with respect for others.


rgds, Paul

Dear Paul,

You will find that I have not made a post about price in a long time since it was requested on the forums.

My comments on this thread are as follows:

Too many NSXs for sale at present.

Z06 a hell of a car for the next NSX to beat, on many levels and sells for a much lower price.
I know a lot of peoples P&J past.

Nothing else, nothing more.

The above comments are FACTS,

I have no dog in this fight, and if I ever get another NSX, it will be in a few years when I have the time to work on it, rather than keep it in the garage.

I am not surprised, the prices were manipulated behind closed doors by a few individuals and the dealers saw the opportunity and took it, what surprises me is crashed bang walloped NSX billed as clean examples by their owners.

[AR]

Does it bother you that much that you cashed-out before they shot-up,

Not really as my last NSX was modified, it had some history, therefore it's market value would not have been that much higher than what it was sold for.


As for the cashing out, since I put the money into my mortgage, it more than caught up any cashinp up the NSX would have made.


Now if I had a pristine NA1 or NA2 say 2001 with low mileage then that would be a different story.

Everyone knows that if you buy a cheaper car to start with , no matter how much you spend on it it will still be cheaper when you sell it.

[havoc]

OK here we go:

You mentioned values, not me...
Oh for pity's sake, I was trying to have a laugh...not wind you up! Please don't take everything as an affront...



Do you remember when you were taking the piss out of my old NSX on PH???

I did??? When? Genuinely don't remember that...not sure why I'd have done that. Are you sure it was me?

[AR]

Oh for pity's sake, I was trying to have a laugh...not wind you up! Please don't take everything as an affront...




I did??? When? Genuinely don't remember that...not sure why I'd have done that. Are you sure it was me?

I do not believe that we have had the best exchanges on the internet, therefore I based my judgement on previous experiences in dealing with you.

I posted some pictures of my R-GT conversion some people on PH had a go, I corrected them and you jumped in.

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=178&t=620832&mid=0&i=40&nmt=Post%20up%20your%20Hondas&mid=0

You still have the same MO as before, you say something RUDE and when confronted then say you are only joking.

I know what I call that and is not comedy.

[Silver Surfer]

That's my NSX now...haven't met anyone yet telling me it looks straight out of MaxPower..LOL..
I get a lot of thumbs up..

SS

[havoc]

I do not believe that we have had the best exchanges on the internet, therefore I based my judgement on previous experiences in dealing with you.

I posted some pictures of my R-GT conversion some people on PH had a go, I corrected them and you jumped in.

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=178&t=620832&mid=0&i=40&nmt=Post%20up%20your%20Hondas&mid=0

You still have the same MO as before, you say something RUDE and when confronted then say you are only joking.

I know what I call that and is not comedy.

Oh for pity's sake. 7 years and you're still bearing a grudge? Because I didn't like the look of your car? And as for me being rude...I think we're both guilty of that. Come on Ary...

That was my opinion at the time, and while my views have softened, both to modifications and having seen the car in the flesh (visually impressive, paint looks gorgeous), I'm still not a fan of the front splitter (too long, almost caricature, to me) and that style of rear wing is divisive aesthetically - I still wouldn't put it on an NSX unless the NSX was a regular track-bitch.

IF you're going to modify a car extensively you HAVE to accept that it's going to create polarised opinions, particularly on a 'classic' like the NSX. You probably won't like some of those opinions, but it's up to you to have confidence in your car / your choices.



Look, life's too short - if I offended you back then I apologise. And if you took my comment on the previous page here to heart, please don't - it was intended as a light-hearted jibe, I didn't realise you had a problem with me.

[AR]

Martin,

Rest assured I do not have a problem with you, nor do I bear a grudge.

We are all entitled to our opinions, but if I am attacked I will defend myself accordingly.

If it was not your intention, then I will ask you to choose your words more carefully in future, something that I am sure you are more than capable of.

Now getting back on topic, why is Honda behaving in such a bizarre manner?

[Pride]

:cough: evo / Chris Harris ;)

I stand corrected having just read the first full UK review in this months EVO mag which arrived in the post today and have to admit it does get a great review albeit from Chris Harris, who openly admits to never being a fan of our origanol model.

I have to say though that I find it quiet mystifying as to why he should be invited to test this car by Honda/Acura marketing department knowing his views on the old car. They could have shot themselves in the foot from the get go as Mr Harris tends not to be a fan of Honda cars anyway.

[flyingsniffer]

I have to say though that I find it quiet mystifying as to why he should be invited to test this car by Honda/Acura marketing department knowing his views on the old car. They could have shot themselves in the foot from the get go as Mr Harris tends not to be a fan of Honda cars anyway.

Because press departments know that positive reviews by influencers like Chris Harris sell cars. And unlike some 'influencers' (eg erstwhile front man of Top Gear), Chris tends to call it as he sees it, rather than treating it all as some sort of game.

And he can drive: I met him when we arranged the launch of the Toyota GT86 at Jarama in 2012 (I'm on the pit wall @ 3'56" in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=romf-G6CZ7g and at the end he was standing in front of my AE86!). Most of the other journos were whooping at getting one drift by the end of their sessions, Chris was on it from the first lap.

Interesting that he's back at EVO....

[Nick Graves]

I understand CH is a freelancer and will syndicate his reviews to the highest bidders.

That's why you see more-or-less the same report by the same guy on various websites from Autonews to the tabloids.

[NoelWatson]

I stand corrected having just read the first full UK review in this months EVO mag which arrived in the post today and have to admit it does get a great review albeit from Chris Harris, who openly admits to never being a fan of our origanol model.

I have to say though that I find it quiet mystifying as to why he should be invited to test this car by Honda/Acura marketing department knowing his views on the old car. They could have shot themselves in the foot from the get go as Mr Harris tends not to be a fan of Honda cars anyway.

He was certainly a fan of the model tested in 2002, scoring it ahead of R34 and almost beating 996

[Pride]

He was certainly a fan of the model tested in 2002, scoring it ahead of R34 and almost beating 996

Not exactly a complimentary statement of the origanol Nsx he made in the article though, just saying:

"Now isn’t the time to deconstruct the excellence or otherwise of the original NSX (I happen to think its driving dynamics are and were massively overrated)"

[havoc]

CH likes 'expressive' cars - the more sideways, the more expressive (he was probably the inspiration behind Troy Queef, to a degree). And the original NSX isn't a car that you can naturally drive sideways.

So it's not a car for him - it's a chassis that you have to tune into, understand the way IT likes to be driven. Everyone is different - some people aren't interested in steering feel, for example, or throttle-response, or sound...

[marknsx]

I believe that the NSX NA1 is a sublime drive. Aerodynamically perfect.
I feel a genuine sense of passion. I should put the car away now for the winter. But I can't. I shall drive it again tomorrow.
Honda developed a masterpiece, useable art, and as with any work of art it should not be compared.

[duncan]

Wow, that's a bit Queefie.
Now back to that R&T review.

[britlude]

i think i was just a little bit sick in my mouth.... :(

[marknsx]

Slept in the car last night. Strange characters seen around our estate. Weird being in the car under the car cover. Can't say I recommend sleeping in such a space. Still the drive to Oxford and back was good. A34 still slow at Oxford end barrier repairs. Duncan acting like a masoginist and Britlude shouldn't be so judgemental. Since my release I have found comfort in my NSX

[Pride]

Slept in the car last night. Strange characters seen around our estate. Weird being in the car under the car cover. Can't say I recommend sleeping in such a space. Still the drive to Oxford and back was good. A34 still slow at Oxford end barrier repairs. Duncan acting like a masoginist and Britlude shouldn't be so judgemental. Since my release I have found comfort in my NSX

Sounds like you should be wearing a Ferrari straight jacket.

[Silver Surfer]

Leave the guy alone... He is just passionate about the car .. Nowt wrong with that.

SS

[marknsx]

Thanks Siver Surfer. My condition is now considered "under control". Bloody marvellous shrink and fab tablets.

[Nick Graves]

I'm fascinated by this masoginist? Is that someone who enjoys being beaten up by dolly birds?

[marknsx]

Dolly birds! They are chicks. Or at least we're in my youth

[duncan]

A misogynist is a person who hates or doesn't trust women.
A masochist is someone who gains pleasure from suffering, and apparently
A masoginist was (in your youth) someone who enjoyed being beaten up by chicks
- whatever -
but please explain how my alleged views or pleasure and your gender can be deduced from my comment.
I'm intrigued.

[Nick Graves]

It was deduced from Marknsx's post, not yours!

I don't think you're getting it...

[marknsx]

Your ref to queefy or the derivative. A reference to the vagina

[britlude]

well, that went downhill quick!!!! lol

back to the original topic...

i don't think it should be called 'NSX' at all... Discuss....

[marknsx]

agreed. each generation should have its own ID. i suggest the main reason for the NSX title is to assist in the sale of the new one

[marknsx]

with the poor launch timing would "Divine Wind" be fitting

[thelimpingwhippet]

perhaps "kaishaku" might be more apt?

[duncan]

I apologise for my ignorance, I had no knowledge of that as a use of the word, it certainly wasn't my intention to offend in that fashion, to you or to other forum users.
My comment was directed at your linguistic construction and a similarity between that and the style of car review in Sniff Petrol penned under the name of 'Troy Queef'.
Try http://sniffpetrol.com/2015/10/22/as-crisp-as-a-porcelain-poppadom/#.VmC1VHrfWrU and then see it for real in the Road & Track Review for the new ( whatever number) NSX.

[britlude]

they set the precedence with the CRX re-emerging under the CRZ banner....

[lotusolly]

they set the precedence with the CRX re-emerging under the CRZ banner....

If the new NSX is marketed as a replacement for the old in comparison to the CRZ being a replacement for the CRX then that will end my interest.
Having owned 3 CRX's for a period of 15 years, the CRZ was no replacement!
Scarily it sounds feasible though!!

Olly

[Nick Graves]

Compromised driving position, dangerous visibility, puny hybrid system.

Nope, the CRZzzzzzzzzzzzzzz sound the very antithesis of the NC1.

[Problem Child]

Definatly NOT (Naturally Aspirated) NA3

TT1 (Twin Turbo) maybe

NA3?...definitely not. NSX....possibly not. Honda....just about agree with that. This car has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with our NA1 and NA2's. Using the NSX name is simply a cynical marketing ploy by Honda! But if the values of our NSX's benefit from the association I'm all for it

[NSX 2000]

The Honda NSX team is determined that the car will be the best
it can possibly be and their attention to detail and tenacity is the
reason for the push back in production. We have every confidence
that you will be delighted and overwhelmed with your car when it
arrives. It will certainly be on the top of the ‘want list’ for many
automotive enthusiasts.
We will keep you updated as to anticipated dates when we have a
clear strategy for UK roll-out.
Philip Webb, Head of Car Division

[NSX 2000]

US customers won't get anything this year - Spring 2016 at the earliest, so perhaps late 2016 for UK customers.

Most recent news from Honda is European customers will see them in 2016.

NSX

Following the announcement of the start of customer sales in the US at Detroit motor show, Honda confirms the first European customer deliveries for the Honda NSX will begin in 2016. The NSX features classic low and wide proportions married to modern and alluring surfacing, an aggressive front design, and rear lights that pay homage to the original NSX. The new hybrid supercar has an all-new mid-mounted DOHC V6 engine with twin turbochargers mated to a specially-developed nine-speed DCT.

http://world.honda.com/news/2016/4160210eng.html?from=r

[Sudesh]

I had toyed with the idea of making a purchase before I took ill, but as I'm on the mend, it's appealing to me now. Looks very nice, but I'd really like an EB110 again need to see one in the flesh. It will be see if they make an R version of this car?

[Nick Graves]

Rumour suggests they won't let the NC wither on the vine.

Type-R, convertible and possibly even a lightweight non-hybrid RWD are under development.

[Sudesh]

Called in with my local NSX deal today for more info and possibly putting a deposit down, but they basically said they didn't know much about it them selves? Really surprised at that!

Seen the new Civic type R in the show too, looked very nice, but at £30k for a civic, I thought it was steep.

[Mistercorn]

Honestly, you couldn't make it up. This is really turning in to a farce.

MC

[flyingsniffer]

Err, not really. The initial production order was for 100 cars in the UK, which sold out in November 2014 based on £5k deposits placed.

[Sudesh]

Well that's not the info my local dealer give me! Seems like this nonsense is all over the place. I'll even call them again to confirm this. But I was in the showroom, talking to the sales manager, and that's the info I was given.

[flyingsniffer]

I believe one or two current owners have placed deposits and I'm sure they will be along shortly, but in the meantime....

http://www.topgear.com/car-news/supercar/honda-nsx-sold-out-uk

[NSX 2000]

Direct from Honda

http://world.honda.com/news/2016/4160318eng.html?from=r

[Nick Graves]

Honda's marketing dept. is FoS at the best of times; it's as if they're only making 100 UK cars and then will scrap all the tooling...not.

There'll be 100 along next year. And the year after...probably once they've fixed all the initial problems.

They came out with some similar drivel when the S2000 was new. So I promptly bought one from Belgium, where it was both cheaper & BS-free.

[HPGeezer]

I am still amazed by so many peoples belief they are on the list
honda have got 100 confirmed orders, these are a mixture of private individuals like myself who have paid 5k from 2012 onwards and dealers who did not have to front up any money ( they cannot sell their car for a limited period after delivery, confirmed by HONDA UK personnel at GFS 2015)
we all received a silly letter giving us the impression we would have our cars in the Autumn
production starts in April making 8 cars a day when in full production
USA is 80% of the NSX's market so DO THE MATHS

It is very unlikely we will get more than 25-30 cars into the UK this year, how many will be dealer cars is anyones guess, I know of 2 dealers who have 5 cars between them for 'personal use/gain'

i would wager if your order was taken after 2013 you have 'f all' chance of being asked to spec your car

look at the videos online, even the HONDA badged cars in them are all left hand drive

i am sure the bigwigs at Honda UK will be having very sleepless nights over the next month or so, they have to assess the list, rank each order by merit, check if still interested ( bearing in mind in 2012 the expected price was circa 70k not 140k as now suggested), make the selection process fair to everyone, get their wording correct and finally make the delivery process special

could you imagine your local dealer taking delivery of your car for you???

maybe we will all get an invite to Swindon for a mass handover day, now that would be a proper way to do it ����

[NZNick]

I'm not sure if the USA will be 80% of the total production of the new NSX - I'd guess that it will be higher than 50% but lower than that 80%. Either way, I doubt many UK buyers will take delivery in 2016.

[WhyOne?]

One thing is certain, this is an admirably comprehensive example of how not to launch a new 'halo' car.

[NSXGB]

It is very unlikely we will get more than 25-30 cars into the UK this year, how many will be dealer cars is anyones guess, I know of 2 dealers who have 5 cars between them for 'personal use/gain'


How much over the ticket price are 'you' willing to pay....Rife across all brands, try getting hold of a GT Porsche... I would say the NSX could be more of a risk to flip judging on past history.

[Pride]

And still joe public can't get to touch it at a motor show :( and that's even after the 1st April production start date.
Acura/Honda marketing department love shooting themselves in the foot don't they? :)

http://www.pjstar.com/article/20160408/NEWS/160409418?start=2