Facelift value?

[gcon45]

After 7 years of ownership I've been toying with the idea of selling my NSX as I just don't get enough time to enjoy it these days as I have a young family and a business.

The car is cat d and was repaired to a very high standard before I bought it (and I'm fussy!).
Few mods - Type-R style steering wheel, gear knob, boss and manual rack and pre-facelift tail lights.

34,000 miles, excellent condition inside and out.
Water pump, timing belt etc all done at 30K.
Only failure I had was the alternator that was replaced last year.


What sort of price bracket should I be looking at?
i know it's a fairly ambiguous question but it's difficult to gauge the market.

The car in question:

[Hagasan]

Might it be worth re-establishing the original spec to gain maximum value? The lack of an airbag steering wheel, original steering rack and early style lights may make people suspicious? Facelift cars don't tend to have previous generation modifications? After all its the facelift cars that achieve the higher values... Just the sort of thoughts that would go through my mind as an "informed buyer". Selling abroad would see less of a price stigma" with the history..

[gcon45]

Yeah they're all bolt on items that I or the buyer could add if they so wished.
I personally think the modifications improve the car but are easily reversed.
The original rack will be included.

[NZNick]

The short answer is I don't know.
What I do know is that there is a lot of competition out there at the present time (for an 02+ NSX) - there are 4 on Pistonheads for example, all of which have been there a wee while. To sell in favour of these you need an edge, probably price.
Look at what is being asked for these cars and pitch yours accordingly.
The other way would be to approach a specialist / dealer, and see what they offer you.

[gcon45]

I do realise that the car won't command anywhere near what the equivalent non-recorded car would.

At the same time every car has to be judged on its own merit and I viewed 2 non-recorded cars (albeit one was a pre-facelift) before deciding to buy this one as it was a better example.

[NoelWatson]

The short answer is I don't know.
What I do know is that there is a lot of competition out there at the present time (for an 02+ NSX) - there are 4 on Pistonheads for example, all of which have been there a wee while. To sell in favour of these you need an edge, probably price.
Look at what is being asked for these cars and pitch yours accordingly.
The other way would be to approach a specialist / dealer, and see what they offer you.

Personally I would consider the targa and coupe to appeal to different audiences, so gcon will be competing against other 2 coupes. One of which is a last 12 which I would suggest would be tempting for a collector (although this one maybe has too many miles). Which leaves you competing against the 2004 £95k with similar miles. If undamaged and reverted to standard I would take a punt at £80k, CAT D I would try £60k, all IMO.

[nobby]

mmmm would be interested in this ... but the big elephant in the room is my own car and determining the value of it as well to help fund such a purchase!

[duncan]

I don't want to appear rude or disparaging to any of the posters - BUT - put the car, your car, whatever, into the market. Whether EBay, Manhiems(we buy any car) or Bonhams the answer is the same, what it sells for is it's worth.
If you want to, or need to, then sell it.
If you want some form of reassurance that it's now worth £x-xxx,000 or 'I would sell the car if it was worth £x,000' then sorry.

[WhyOne?]

I don't want to appear rude or disparaging to any of the posters - BUT - put the car, your car, whatever, into the market. Whether EBay, Manhiems(we buy any car) or Bonhams the answer is the same, what it sells for is it's worth.
........

That's all very well and true(ish) if you are content to sell your car in some form of auction, and I do agree with you that any car is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.

However, many people want an understanding of how much to advertise their car for and therefore to have rather more control over what price the car will sell for. Pitch the car too low, you don't realise the maximum potential; set the price too high (the safer of the two options IMHO!) and the car probably wont sell- not the end of the world, but the sale will become a protracted process.

[nobby]

im sorry but i feel you are a tad rude @duncan. This is an NSX forum whereby owners should be able to seek advice on car valuations. No one wants to look like an a$$ when valuating their cars and then get zero interest. If you cant get some valuable advice by very people that own these cars on a dedicated NSX forum then it says alot about the forum in general.

If you have nothing worthwhile to add then ignore the thread better saying nothing than nothing at all of substance

+1 @whyone

[britlude]

unfortunately Duncan is right, unlike the plethora of porsche or ferrari, where there are literally thousands to choose from, we are in a very niche/rare/specialist class...

best bet is to pick a number, advertise it at that number......

the number of phone calls will tell you is the price is too cheap or too expensive...

1. red hot phone= too cheap
2. calling bt to see if the line is working ok =too expensive.

no-one ever actually says what their car sells for, so not really any reference points..... so make sure you let us know what you find out, for reference of course!



unfortunately there is no-one anywhere who actually can say what a particular car is worth, only the market can say that... most owners aren't selling any time soon so are not fussed about the actual value. that said, we can't even find anyone that will give insurance values.........

the ones on the market that seem, how shall we say, healthily priced seem to be advertised for an age before being withdrawn or sold, but we never know if the price was actually achieved. i suspect the prices are punted high, but more realistic sale figures are agreed on

obvs, if you find a rich muppet with money burning a hole in his pocket, then good luck to you....


if you need a guide tho, mines a rare charlotte green JDM pop-up auto with exclusive mods, not cat D, and is priced at £1,000,000 if anyone wants to make an 'or near offer' :)

[gcon45]

Thanks for the helpful replies. Always good to incite a little debate!

I don't need to sell the car at all. It just feels like I never get to enjoy it enough to warrant having it.

When the sun's out my other Hondas (the 2 wheeled variety) always get priority be it on road or track.

I think I'd regret selling the NSX though...

[Senninha]

Hi Gcon,

To sell or not only you can decide. As for where to pitch it in the market, there is a thread on the forum that another member was using to collect indications on price, capturing purchase and advertised sale price.

i don't know your NSX but I'm told it was put back into good condition following the bump ... if that's that case, added to the fact that you have enjoyed 7 yrs trouble free motoring, if I was in the market, then subject to a good quality inspection I would consider discussing a price at market value less @25-30% to offset the history.

Somsimple maths, if a clean history one is advertised at £80k, then that makes the guide price for yours £55-60k with the actual sale price being down to you and the buyer. This I'm sure is a healthy return on your original investment, and gives a buyer looking at a late NA2 pre-facelift an opportunity to buy a facelift car.

if I recall correctly there was a wanted add a few weeks back with someone looking for an NA2 manual. Might be worth an IM?

Hope this helps ... or maybe you could have a px deal on Andrews car ... that way he gets the later car he's after and you get to keep an NSX plus some spending money for other toys ...

Regards, Paul

[duncan]

I'll value yours if you value mine.
Sorry Jonathan but that figure is taking the pi$$, go to cazana.com type your registration in and you will see their valuation. Against your registration is a value of £67,456; against mine a U.K 1995 Manual Coupe the paltry sum of £54,176.
I haven't the faintest idea where those numbers come from.
Perhaps we should all do a run against our own registrations, so I'll start if off:-
1. Duncan. G1NSX £54,176
2.
3.

[britlude]

i did say 'or near offer' lol.... so my jdm auto '92 is obviously worth more than a '95 manual! i knew it all along!!!! i shall remember that site if any claims need to be made! (doesn't have a value for the hotrod, nor Sarahs JDM cube!)

1. Duncan.... '95 manual yellow £54,176
2. Jonathan ..'92 auto green £67,456 (i suspect as it was imported in '98, cazana thinks its a '98 car!)
3.

[goldnsx]

Every three years I go to a certified car value expert. He makes some photos and a printed expert opinion for my insurance company. £300 well spent if someone crashes me. He gives me the market value and the replacement value (which is higher due to mods and heavy maintenance). Highly recommended.

This could give you a value to start with.

[hkz286]

i did say 'or near offer' lol.... so my jdm auto '92 is obviously worth more than a '95 manual! i knew it all along!!!! i shall remember that site if any claims need to be made! (doesn't have a value for the hotrod, nor Sarahs JDM cube!)

1. Duncan.... '95 manual yellow £54,176
2. Jonathan ..'92 auto green £67,456 (i suspect as it was imported in '98, cazana thinks its a '98 car!)
3.



hkz286 -£ 1904 - (no that's not an error, no digits missing, that's what it thinks my 91 jdm import is worth)

also that site has my mileage in miles, not km. Maybe that's why it thinks its worth about 40k less than what it is lol

[simonprelude]

If you all go onto we buy any car you'll be shocked.........

[gcon45]

Decided to test the water an stuck an ad on Pistonheads:

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/honda/nsx/honda-nsx-v6-2002-facelift-na2/7189522

I'm surprised at the number of responses already as the ad only went live at 11pm last night!

[dcnsx]

Keenly priced, that should sell well. Good luck!:)

[Nick Graves]

Thanks for the helpful replies. Always good to incite a little debate!

I don't need to sell the car at all. It just feels like I never get to enjoy it enough to warrant having it.

When the sun's out my other Hondas (the 2 wheeled variety) always get priority be it on road or track.

I think I'd regret selling the NSX though...

You've just answered your own question!

After all, it's not exactly depreciating, is it?

I am in the same boat, in that the S2000 tends to be preferred if it's a sunny day. Think of it as keeping the mileage/costs down.

FWIW, it is clear that a lot of NSXs are being ludicrously priced, which is why they tend to stick for a very long time these days.

So you'd need to work out the price of a pre-facelift NA1 and that seems to be the going rate for a Cat D. Having said that, I think they were a bit untidy and have been rebuilt by teh new owners to a better standard.

It really is a case of sticking your finger in the air, I'm afraid.

[NSX100]

Decided to test the water an stuck an ad on Pistonheads:

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/honda/nsx/honda-nsx-v6-2002-facelift-na2/7189522

I'm surprised at the number of responses already as the ad only went live at 11pm last night!

I saw this and noticed immediately how relatively low-priced it was - Cat D or not. Even if it was Cat D your comments on the car's condition and the circumstances would seem to me to more than compensate for it. Good luck.

BTW there is an NA-2 3.2 litre pop-up on Autotrader for £140,000. Now THAT is ludicrous.

The ones that seem to stick around on Pistonheads are automatics.

[NSX 2000]

BTW there is an NA-2 3.2 litre pop-up on Autotrader for £140,000. Now THAT is ludicrous.


Just had a look at the advert, it looks a lovely car, one of the last pop ups. I suppose if you don't ask you don't get.

[gcon45]

I saw this and noticed immediately how relatively low-priced it was - Cat D or not. Even if it was Cat D your comments on the car's condition and the circumstances would seem to me to more than compensate for it. Good luck.

BTW there is an NA-2 3.2 litre pop-up on Autotrader for £140,000. Now THAT is ludicrous.

The ones that seem to stick around on Pistonheads are automatics.

Yeah it's difficult to gauge the market but if I don't get the asking price I'll be hanging on to it.
It can only appreciate further and I get to drive it every now and then so it's a win-win.
I've had various offers but none within 5K of what it would take for me to part with it.