02 Conversion???

[AR]

Well as you all know this something that I considered before I even got an NSX. I am considering the pros and cons of doing this to my NSX-R.

One worry is that it might be hard to match the colour, and I would prefer not to have to repaint the whole car.

Then is the choice of NSX-R or regular NSX. The bit that worries me about the NSX-R ( Please take no offence here ) is the bonnets. I can't justify getting a real NSX-R bonnets and although Procar and DF look good, they have not been crash teste, a point brought up recently on Prime.

Any input greatly appreciated.

Cheers,

AR

[Lankstarr]

Ary,

I much prefer pop ups to later spec headlights but think that an 02 back would be great.

Bonnet is a tricky one, other than safety issues are there any legal/insurance implications of the bonnet not having been crash tested?

I don't know how much the conversion would cost, nor how much your 3.0 R engine is worth but would you consider the 3.2 NSX R engine and gearbox?

If you decide to go front and back upgrades IMO you should go IOP, The car shouldn't be too badly hit for residuals with before and after pics showing no damage and of course a good excuse (i.e doing front and back and blending anyway) and then she would eb the ultimate keeper.

If you plan to "love her long time" then I guess residuals don't really matter and it would come down to cash vs IOP!!!

Luke

[Paul]

Ary,

I much prefer pop ups to later spec headlights but think that an 02 back would be great.
... ... ... I have to agree with Luke on those points ... there's just "something" about the pop ups that I like ... also I think the '02 rear gives a much better "finished look" than the pre '02 rear.

Bonnet issue would need serious looking into ... not just from an insurance point of view ... I can't really comment on the bonnet having not seen an '02 type R in the flesh as it were.

Obviously all the above is ... imho ... each to their own at the end of the day.

[Lankstarr]

I dunno if this helps any opinions to be generated but this is a converted type R :

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n53/lankstarr/nsx-sm1.jpg

A pretty good job me thinks ;)

L*

[AR]

I dunno if this helps any opinions to be generated but this is a converted type R :

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n53/lankstarr/nsx-sm1.jpg

A pretty good job me thinks ;)

L*

You mean a regular NSX converted to NA2 NSX-R.

It looks nice.

Desicions!

[Lankstarr]

I don't know how difficult it is in findinga ll the necessary aprts and ghow long it would take to have them all fitted but would you not be better selling yours and buying a NA2 type R?

Hard to see which would be more hassle but if thre is not a lot in it you would be better with a standard car... like you say though, you know yours is good and it would be a shame to trade up to a NA2 type R only to find out it was a wrongun.

Right about piccy - std 3.0 to NA2 type R :D

L*

[jaytip]

I don't know how difficult it is in findinga ll the necessary aprts and ghow long it would take to have them all fitted but would you not be better selling yours and buying a NA2 type R?

L*
Ary's car is worth about 35K.The NA2 type-R is currently for sale and open to offers around the 100K mark.
For my 2p worth,i would say don't do it.It will most certainly hit the resale value on the car,especially if it were to be part-ex'ed at a dealership.I took my last one(92) to Honda in Cardiff,pretending i wanted to part ex it for a S2K that they had(just wanted to see how the S2K went:D ).Now mine was a clean UK car with nothing on the HPI. it had had a number of previous owners and the milage was i think about 110K at the time with a full Honda sevice history.Now for the interesting part.I had given my car a colour change,and i had photos of before, during and after to show the car had not been damaged in any way.I was offered 8.5K for it.I just laughed and said no thanks.
Also,if you decided to do the conversion and not change the colour,would it look right??
I have never seen a NA2 in green,and we all know that the NA2 type-R only comes in white.
Ary,i would say keep it as it is.You already have a VERY rare beast,and you could be opening yourself up for a lot of expence and heart ache.

Ivor

[Lankstarr]

I didn't realise the NA2 type R was back up for sale.. I think it is worth 55-65 region notyhing more.

But then again I don't know what they go for in Japan.

If the dealer offered you 8.5k they were probably thinking it was worth 14 or so... if they wanted to trade it then 8.5k would cover their backs every day of the week!

L*

[jaytip]

I didn't realise the NA2 type R was back up for sale.. I think it is worth 55-65 region notyhing more.

But then again I don't know what they go for in Japan.

If the dealer offered you 8.5k they were probably thinking it was worth 14 or so... if they wanted to trade it then 8.5k would cover their backs every day of the week!

L*
I'm not sure if it's back up for sale or not.I was under the impression that it just never sold in the first place at 99K.
I totally agree with what you are saying about the dealer.He was looking to make a nice big mark up,and cover the cost of an expensive warranty.

[Senninha]

Where to start on this one??

Firstly, as said above, you have a very rare and genuine car with IMO a lot of its value being the very fact that it is a genuine NSX-R. There may be 1 or 2 others around but as we all know from the one in Scotland, their history may be questionable.

If the NSX-R was mine, I would only consider 02+ modifications that are fully reversible to return to its original condition should the day come to part company (or you could at least offer as an original or modified depending if new owner likes the mods)

On Prime there are several threads about 02+ conversions using DF or Procar parts. The 'average' parts price seems to be around $8k for a properly converted car.

Personally I'm not a fan of the 02+ lights, preferring as many do the original pop-ups. However, I really do approve of the rear and side upgrades as IMO they modernise and clean up the overal profile of the NSX and are bolt on/off exchange items.

What might be of interest to some here is that I'm currently in discussions with a couple of guys in the US for an 02+ upgrade that retains the pop-ups and is fully reversible (for the reasons mentioned above).

So in summary Ary, I wouldn't do anything to your NSX-R that you cant return back to current, but at the end of the day, its your car and your decision.

I would certainly be interested to know the outcome of the insurance/crash test debate. Isnt the original NA2 Type R a CF bonnet? Isnt the Procar a direct moulding replica so surely the same construction/strength?

HTH, Regards

Paul

[Senninha]

Or there is another option ......

Sell Luke your NSX-R in exchange for his part IOP 3.2, carry out the full conversion and respray back to IOP and you're both happy;)

regards

[Lankstarr]

Finally someone is talking sense.

Get the bits sorted Ary and we'll do the exchange asap.

you'll be doing the NSX world a good deed by returning my car to IOP... so much so that you could justify type rrrrring it up:D

L*

[AR]

I have taken everything posted on board and will put things on hold for a minute until I get all the facts.

As regard to the insurance, I do not think that it will be much more than a bodykit.

Cheers to all who posted their ideas.

Ary

[TheQuietOne]

You mean a regular NSX converted to NA2 NSX-R.

It looks nice.

Desicions!

Yup, this is a HK car converted to a NSX-R from a standard 3.0, the guy who owns it posts on Prime, and has the biggest collection of cars with his brother you could imagine at 25ish...!

That also happens to be my favourite ever NSX photo I think, oh and I once showed it to Dan (DTA) and he used to work in one of the towers on the right hand side!

AR, sounds like you have some tough decisions, just one thing I have to say is that I'm not sure an IOP R would be right for some reason, despite it being my favourite colour!

Just my £0.02...TQO

[Lankstarr]

I have taken everything posted on board and will put things on hold for a minute until I get all the facts.

As regard to the insurance, I do not think that it will be much more than a bodykit.

Cheers to all who posted their ideas.

Ary


Being a reckless youngster;) I know my insurance quotes will be a bit higher than most of yours but I was shocked when I called for a quote on the Scotland type R:

I have just renewed my premium for £670on the 3.2 and they wanted an extra £67 to change my car for the 3.0 type R.... £30 of that is probably admin!!!!

BUT With those lovely aftermarket wheels the quote went up further... to have them on there as an extra, valued at under £250 (I didn't want them to boost the premium and if someone knicked them they'd be welcome to them) the added £250 extra to the quote:shock: :shock:


L*

[Procar Specials]

I would certainly be interested to know the outcome of the insurance/crash test debate. Isnt the original NA2 Type R a CF bonnet? Isnt the Procar a direct moulding replica so surely the same construction/strength?

Well, the NA2R bonnet is a cf bonnet and this hood fullfills crash test defaults.
(Japan has this prescriptions too !)
Because we are using the same carbonfiber (aviation norm 240g/m²) and the same
construction, we got the german 'TÜV' stamp.
TÜV = Association for Technical Inspection, Technical Control Board

BTW, the NSX-R NA2 was available in 9 different body colours.


Well as you all know this something that I considered before I even got an NSX. I am considering the pros and cons of doing this to my NSX-R.
One worry is that it might be hard to match the colour, and I would prefer not to have to repaint the whole car.

Lot of people are doing these 2002+ conversions, I'm not a friend of the newer front!
If you ever have seen a Fiat Coupe, you know from where the japanese designers got their frontlight design inspirations.
http://www.fiatcoupe-freunde.de/r_design/front_start_s.jpg

[Senninha]

AR,

Just found this over on Prime. It shows a Brookland Green NSX-R conversion and I have to say it looks good. Its a complete front end swap offerd by evo575 who does all the work with Vance.

Me thinx you may reconsider you upgrade??

regards

Paul

[AR]

Cheers Paul,

At the moment I am thinking of waiting and going all OEM, just for the safety aspect. The bonnet is not like the wing or an air scoop, or any of the other parts we normally change to enhance the looks of our NSX. I want that added OEM safety.

But thanks for the picture it might help convince my wife that we need it more than mods to the new place LOL.

Cheers,

AR

[jaytip]

That looks a lot nicer than i thought it would have.