3.0 Nsx-r - 3.2 Nsx [Archive]

craigdonnelly

03-09-2007, 09:52 AM

hey cool cats :cool:,

can anyone tell me some of the major differences between 3.0 NSX's and the 3.2's? Did any modifications from the first NSX-R make it onto the revised 3.2's?

The reason i asked is because I just watched a video showing the difference of the NSX and the first NSX-R and it was quite considerable! I was hoping some of those changes on the NSX-R would have been passed onto the revised model.

simonprelude

03-09-2007, 09:59 AM

The NSX-R is just a stripped out hardcore version of the NSX.

No one has really been able (or willing) to prove if the NSX-R really does have more power than the NSX.

Passing things down, well if people want aircon, PAS, ICE, airbags etc etc etc then the weight goes back on and you are left with a standard NSX.
Gearing is different also, but in general it's weight, handling and possibly more power, most of which will not transform into a usual everyday supercar.

03-09-2007, 10:03 AM

There is a lot more to it specially on the second genneration NSX-R.

Kevin

03-09-2007, 10:32 AM

Yes, the 'R' isn't like an updated version of the basic model. It's not like changes to it then went on to the next generation or anything.

The 'R' is a separate model range. You pay more for less. Non-essential items get removed, suspension is harder, and the engine is balanced.

The new 'R' goes further by having some carbon panels (in a very brief nutshell).

You can make any NSX R-like by ripping out stuff, adding hard suspension, and even getting the engine rebuilt and balanced. Nothing impossible there.

You can also go further than an R, by adding big brakes, a supercharger, more aero bits etc etc.

craigdonnelly

03-09-2007, 12:00 PM

Rob_Fenn

03-09-2007, 01:50 PM

I think the hard thing is that Honda simply don't let us know every single detail. If anyone can find it, the Honda Japan website had details of what changes the NSX-R had.

The main differences were weight loss, suspension/chassis changes and aero. The newer models gained none of those parts.

I drove our 2001 pre facelift model and a spanking new press car back to back at Bedford. Newer one had better braking, quicker acceleration and felt that bit 'tighter.'

As far as i'm concerned you wouldn't need to spend shed loads on a normal NSX to make it as quick, you're just buying the badge. That's not to say i wouldn't love a Type R :)

bazza

03-09-2007, 01:54 PM

I knew the NSX-R was a lighter more focused version of the NSX. I thought Honda would add revision to the 3.2 to make it quicker.

The video is in the forum ( can't remember which one because I was just firing through them )and shows a NSX getting beet by a RX7 and R32 GTR which infuriated me:angry: but then it goes on to show a NSX-R almost beating an F40!

What are the performance differences to 3.0 & 3.2? Does anyone know any lap times to compare?

The NSX-R had slicks in the video vs F40 :)
Ring times between NA1 and NA2 NSX-R are close..
8:03 NA1 and 7:56 NA2.

However, various BM tests show the NA2 NSX-R is faster than the NA1 in race conditions and it pretty much remains the fastest JDM to date wiping the floor with other more "well known" (chavy maybe?) JDM cars such as the R34 GTR, Supra and Evo's.

However, hand on heart. My old NA2 NSX wouldn't get near to my NSX-R and the 'R gives me a lot more driving pleasure than the NA2 ever did.

bazza

03-09-2007, 01:58 PM

As far as i'm concerned you wouldn't need to spend shed loads on a normal NSX to make it as quick, you're just buying the badge. That's not to say i wouldn't love a Type R :)

Very true. I didn't buy my NSX-R because I wanted a badge. If I was that simple I would have bought a Ferrari :)

I couldn't be arsed with trying to build my own NSX upto the standard that Honda did on the 'R and to match the 'R.

My car is 13 years old and drives like new, interior is immaculate, it never misses a beat and doesn't clank and rattle. Even with Mugen bits it still feels factory.

03-09-2007, 02:49 PM

Very true. I didn't buy my NSX-R because I wanted a badge. If I was that simple I would have bought a Ferrari :)

I couldn't be arsed with trying to build my own NSX upto the standard that Honda did on the 'R and to match the 'R.

My car is 13 years old and drives like new, interior is immaculate, it never misses a beat and doesn't clank and rattle. Even with Mugen bits it still feels factory.

Barry it is unfair to judge your NSX-R against the stock NSX-R. :)

bazza

03-09-2007, 02:56 PM

Barry it is unfair to judge your NSX-R against the stock NSX-R. :)

True :)

The other NSX-R's I've driven still gave me massive :)
And the RouteKS NA2 NSX-R was simply awesome..

Rob_Fenn

03-09-2007, 03:37 PM

Would like to see what yours is like some day Barry ;)

bazza

03-09-2007, 03:49 PM

Would like to see what yours is like some day Barry ;)

Will catch up soon mate :)
Probably take a trip down to Plans when your order arrives.

craigdonnelly

03-09-2007, 06:35 PM

03-09-2007, 06:42 PM

I've just bought my NSX but say hypothetical in a few years I wanted to buy a NSX-R where do you buy them and how much do early mk1 cost?

what's the performance difference for the standard 3.0 and 3.2?

They will probably cost more then.

Now a days anywhere from low 30s to 45k plus!

Between the 3.0 and the 3.2 there is quite a few videos around. Probably there will be the most difference in top speed # due to gearing.

Cheeers,

Ary

craigdonnelly

03-09-2007, 06:49 PM

are they really worth nearly double a standard car?

03-09-2007, 06:55 PM

are they really worth nearly double a standard car?

That is subjective, but from an ex-owners point of view, it will take some £££ to make a normal one an NSX-R and it won't be an R in the end.

So in short, yes!

Cheers,

AR

bazza

03-09-2007, 07:02 PM

AFAIK we are the only company to offer the service of finding and bringing the NSX-R to the UK.
You are looking at 45k+ for an NA1 from Japan on the road.
NA2 anything between 88k-100k on the road.

I am considering selling my NA1 NSX-R at the moment to fund the growth of my business (believe me I don't want to part with it), will be available for considerably less than £45k :)

dan the man

03-09-2007, 08:36 PM

The NSX is still an everyday sports car in its original Guise, in old or new facelifted model. To carry over the bits from the NA1-R to the facelift NSX would detract from its original purpose as an everyday sports car that is easy to drive, with easy steering, easy seats to get into and out, luxuries like cruise, aircon and safety like traction and abs.

I for one miss the 'R' feeling. Even tho the X is a supercar and has more power than any of my other cars, it still dosent have that Banzai edge wanting u to rag the bollox of it and feel all the presicion and attitdue of doing nothing else than attacking a series of bends and crests etc..

When i rode in barrys R i could feel it from the passenger seat. And no joke i smiled for the 5 hours it took us to drive to japfest :)

How can a motorway drive for 5 hours be a great car memory ? It was the R and ffs ill sell a kidney to try and get one :D

Senninha

03-09-2007, 09:09 PM

The series 1 Type R has an interior that would embaress many of the new contenders.

It is, IMO, pure class, finished in full alcantara with those CF 'special to the Type R' seats. The all black finish of Barry's car is soooooo classy. To update it I would simply add the door/console CF pieces from Procar and do nothing else to this special vehicle!

bazza

03-09-2007, 09:20 PM

Senninha

03-09-2007, 09:22 PM

Genuine NA1-R carbon pieces are on my shopping list :)
Dont forget to share the info when you find supplies ;)

craigdonnelly

03-09-2007, 09:42 PM

I am considering selling my NA1 NSX-R at the moment to fund the growth of my business (believe me I don't want to part with it), will be available for considerably less than £45k :)[/quote]

I'll give you £25k + my sister + a time share for a flat in gorgeous Glasgow? :dunno:

bazza

03-09-2007, 09:45 PM

Dont forget to share the info when you find supplies ;)

I've got that sorted. Lost in translation a bit so I am scanning NA1-R brochure and sending them that ;)

Should have prices quick enough. BTW, I have placed that order for the NA2 NSX-R air duct for you. :)

bazza

03-09-2007, 09:46 PM

I am considering selling my NA1 NSX-R at the moment to fund the growth of my business (believe me I don't want to part with it), will be available for considerably less than £45k :)

I'll give you £25k + my sister + a time share for a flat in gorgeous Glasgow? :dunno:[/QUOTE]

:)

You'll have to do better than that.

How old is your sister?

03-09-2007, 10:36 PM

How old is your sister?

Now that is class! :)

dan the man

04-09-2007, 06:18 AM

Sod sisters u can have my GF !!

freshly modified, low milage and always warmed up and treat gently. Hell u can have my sister thrown in as a this day only sale ??

now thats a deal. :D

Kevin

04-09-2007, 06:37 AM

I for one miss the 'R' feeling. Even tho the X is a supercar and has more power than any of my other cars, it still dosent have that Banzai edge wanting u to rag the bollox of it and feel all the presicion and attitdue of doing nothing else than attacking a series of bends and crests etc..

When i rode in barrys R i could feel it from the passenger seat. And no joke i smiled for the 5 hours it took us to drive to japfest :)

I would really like the chance to compare mine with this R.

Mine has everything the R has got and more. Except the balanced engine, and single pane glass.

bazza

04-09-2007, 08:05 AM

You are more than welcome to try it out some time Kevin. :)

dan the man

04-09-2007, 08:56 PM

That it Kevin? Just those two things? Man u must have changed a lot, so your suspension, gears, lsd, brakes, braces, intake and the other bits are the same?

Dont tell me u have suede'd the dash ?!

TheQuietOne

04-09-2007, 09:39 PM

That it Kevin? Just those two things? Man u must have changed a lot, so your suspension, gears, lsd, brakes, braces, intake and the other bits are the same?

Dont tell me u have suede'd the dash ?!

He has - but not the cosmetic things such as bonnet, interior etc. Only visible clues are the wheels and the black roof! :laugh:

dan the man

04-09-2007, 09:52 PM

so mainly mechanical. some feat. :)

TheQuietOne

04-09-2007, 09:56 PM

so mainly mechanical. some feat. :)

Yes they are, and they need to be quick on the pedals with his OS LSD! :D

dan the man

04-09-2007, 10:10 PM

Os ?

TheQuietOne

04-09-2007, 10:11 PM

Os ?

First part of the manufacturers name second bit sounds like gilken I think! Off home now, enough work for one day...:(

04-09-2007, 10:37 PM

BTW Bazza's NSX-R has a Mugen LSD :).

TheSebringOne

04-09-2007, 11:18 PM

TQO, think its time you clock off, working until 11 PM! :eek: I can vouch for the awesome feeling sat in Barry's car. Sat in those CF seat and feeling every single grain of the road, the way it gripped and turned in! The lovely and throaty zorst note just behind your ear. The interior is simply immaculate for 13 year car & very purposeful! It even had an electric ariel that goes half way down to reduce drag factor!? Barry kindly offered me to take it for a spin, which I declined as it's his P & J, damn wished I did now! Just felt it was too dark and I did'nt know the area! :( DTM, you were very lucky to drive it all the way from mine to castle Coombe in May! :angry: Also its condition is a testament to its previous owner Ary.

Silver Surfer

04-09-2007, 11:59 PM

KeviSpeed's R with it's R888 treads probably handles better than the 'standard' NA1 NSX-R. (From my saet of my pant-ometer.

SS

dan the man

05-09-2007, 06:29 AM

NAH i didnt drive it pal! Just in passenger seat- but still grinning. :)

Kevin

05-09-2007, 07:09 AM

That it Kevin? Just those two things? Man u must have changed a lot, so your suspension, gears, lsd, brakes, braces, intake and the other bits are the same?

Dont tell me u have suede'd the dash ?!

Yes, if comparing to the NA1-R. OK, so add the dash to the list of things not changed.

dan the man

05-09-2007, 07:11 AM

well done anyway ill have to have a closer look around it next time i see it..i was such a newb at japfest i didnt know my ass from my elbow.

bazza

05-09-2007, 08:05 AM

BTW Bazza's NSX-R has a Mugen LSD :).

Yep.. Awesome :)

I'm running on road tyres at the moment but semi slicks are planned in the near future..

Rob_Fenn

05-09-2007, 10:21 AM

05-09-2007, 10:23 AM

Mugen is the King when it comes to NSX IMHO.

bazza

05-09-2007, 10:25 AM

Waste of money...

Interesting to hear about the Mugen LSD. I heard Mugen were coming over the UK, any news on that? How hard is it to get Mugen parts and are they any better than the more aftermarket rivals?

I guess an uprated LSD is the one thing i haven't thought about, would be interesting to see what options there are available.

What's a waste of money? Semi's?

I stock Mugen parts Rob. Some of the other big names in Honda tuning are just clever marketing and gimmicky. :( Mugen is top stuff.

There is no Mugen UK but there are a few people selling parts. When most "Official" UK franchies get setup it usually means inflated :(

Mugen deal with a few UK companies on a trade basis so the consumer gets the goods at the right price. Mugen LSD is available for the NSX and OS Giken do a final drive and LSD kit too ;)

Procar Specials

05-09-2007, 11:56 AM

Genuine NA1-R carbon pieces

I wonder which parts these are?
AFAIK, the JDM NA1R only have this cf parts.

1. Recaro cf bucket seats
2. Gauge cluster bezel, but this part is only a cf immitation
( ITR has the same)
3. cf centerconsole I have seen at some pictures, but it was installed only
at a show car. (Honda never put that part into the EPC)

I have seen nothing else in carbonfiber at this car.

The NA2R has
1. cf hood
2. cf spoiler
3 Recaro cf bucket seats.

I have seen and test drive both cars here in germany.
To be honest I wasnt really impressed from the old model, even if it feels different from the standard car because of the special interior parts and its lightness.

Surely both NSX-R's provides the fastest basic for further mods, owning such a car is very exclusive.

If I would own an old NA1R, now in year 2007, there would be a lot of options to make that car better and faster.
If its ethic to modify such a legend, is another question.

The NA2R is the ultimative NSX, really really good basic.
With a good driver, that car is still able to be one of the fastest supercars at tracks without long straights.
Tuning at this car is ways more difficult, but possible too.
I would have my ideas, some of them are installed at the NSX-R race car from
Honda Motor Europe North.

I would really like to see more NSX-R imported in UK, maybe I would come over and buy one too.
But it has to be new and only for my garage :)

Rob_Fenn

05-09-2007, 03:44 PM

What's a waste of money? Semi's?

I stock Mugen parts Rob. Some of the other big names in Honda tuning are just clever marketing and gimmicky. :( Mugen is top stuff.

There is no Mugen UK but there are a few people selling parts. When most "Official" UK franchies get setup it usually means inflated :(

Mugen deal with a few UK companies on a trade basis so the consumer gets the goods at the right price. Mugen LSD is available for the NSX and OS Giken do a final drive and LSD kit too ;)

Yup, i am of course a hypocrite but i'd rather spend more on trackdays than fancy tyres. If you are mainly driving on the road i don't see the point in having tyres that make you go faster (consquently increasing speed before you start having fun, equalling more danger ;) )

What is best out of the Mugen and Osgiken diff then? Do Mugen actually make the part... as surely they must sub contract a lot of stuff?

Last year i spoke to an engine builder who specialises in Japanese cars. I find it quite eye opening as he reeled off a list of 'big names' (Tein, Toda..) that he believed were total crap, so now i find it difficult what recommendations to believe in.

05-09-2007, 03:50 PM

If someone says Toda is crap, he better have some big ones.

Papalazarou

05-09-2007, 04:03 PM

The problem is that everyone's an expert.

Who can really say which company produces the best product unless it has been rigorously tested in the right environment.

The problem it would seem with NSX parts is that because there are so few cars, it's pretty hard to get an accurate idea from testimonials.
People tend not to slag things off once they've bought them because if the product is crap they'll be wanting to offload it sometime soon.

The biggest bitch I have with NSX parts is the often offensive prices that are charged.

Cheers,

James.

05-09-2007, 04:05 PM

On that note maybe we should start a thread of useless parts IOHO.

Cheers,

AR

simonprelude

05-09-2007, 04:13 PM

I must have some big ones then.

The Toda clutch and flywheel on my S2000 was the biggest heap I had ever used. It lasted 2500 miles where as a Honda one lasts me 20000 and a Spoon one 25000.

If someone says Toda is crap, he better have some big ones.

05-09-2007, 04:18 PM

Simon clutches is one part where anything can happen. http://todaracingusa.com/UserFiles/Image/Picture%20025.jpg

dan the man

05-09-2007, 09:35 PM

So after market LSDs..whats the differnence. work off power aswell as on?

and generally offer better traction in all conditions?

jamieburke

05-09-2007, 09:57 PM

I agree with Kevin- The nsx-r is out of date compared to what you could build today.

Evo issue 100- the GT3 has the measure of the na2 nsx-r - and evo claim it to be in their top ten of all time! Fact is it was made 5 years ago by a company that doesn't specialise in supercars and is competing against manufacturers who specialise in little else BUT sports and supercars....the car was made in 02 and continued to 05 and as evo pointed out, technology of modern brakes, engine suspension etc has improved markedly in that time frame.

DON'T GET ME WRONG- I love the honda marque and I love the type-r ethos. If I won the lottery I'd buy an nsx-r . But its a daft purchase. The gt3 sees off the na2-r (which is 100k?!). Now how old do you think an na1 R would feel against todays crop, bearing in mind that you'll be paying nearly 50k for it?

Imagine- as Kevin has said- buying a 15k car and working around the following (rough) options for spec

Engine- Toda 3.5 high compression engine with throttle bodies
- Na2 R engine (abt 15000 euros)
- Any science of speed build na or turbo will support up to 3.8l and with FI up to 600+ BHP with torque to match.

Transmission- Type-R or OS Giken or Mugen

Suspension- Ohlins, Moton, steal a set of a GT3 and hack them til they fit

Brakes and wheels- many pots, big wheel sizes

Exterior and Interior- You can have a complete carbon fibre nsx, virtually the whole car inside and out- e.g. procar, sos cantrell concepts etc.

SO ALL IN ALL it will go MUCH faster, handle better, weigh less than and stop better than an nsx R. You could probably build a spec that would be up there with Zonda et al, and still for much much less.

Bottom line is- you can build better than type-r yourself for much less money....

....but some people just want a type-r.....I'm one of them....i wanted ary's before barry bought it....it was even provisionally booked to be converted to championship white with black roof! (no offence the green isn't my favourite colour)

The thing is I know what it is and what it isn't to me. it most certainly IS an icon, a motoring myth and hero..... but it is not worth the money for what you get and is not the pinnacle of sports motoring today. There are many cars that would have the measure of it on road and track.

I wouldn't give a fcuk....if my numbers come up I'd have one all day long. Its the honda nuts only choice....:)

05-09-2007, 10:51 PM

The thing is I know what it is and what it isn't to me. it most certainly IS an icon, a motoring myth and hero..... but it is not worth the money for what you get and is not the pinnacle of sports motoring today. There are many cars that would have the measure of it on road and track.

What other car will give all the NSX-R can for the same money???

Yes you can make a regular NSX faster, handle better and brake faster than an NA1 R, also the NA2 R, but it will cost you £££.

Cheers,

AR

Rob_Fenn

06-09-2007, 08:51 AM

People tend not to slag things off once they've bought them because if the product is crap they'll be wanting to offload it sometime soon.

Sometimes i believe it's simply pride that people defend what they've got. Of course the reality is no one can possibly know what is 'the best' because it would involve testing the competition too.