VED (Road Tax) and the NSX, say thank you Labour

[simonprelude]

This would put all post 01/03/2001 cars as being in band M

CO2 Emissions: 291 g/km - (Man) / 287 g/km - (Auto)

It would appear that all post-2001 cars are being re-banded. Instead of the current arrangement which is banded A-G, and where cars remain in the band they were originally assigned to, all cars will be rebanded A-M. VED costs will be:

Band CO2 2009-10 2010-11

A (<101) £0 £0
B (101-110) £20 £20
C (111-120) £30 £35
D (121-130) £90 £95
E (131-140) £110 £115
F (141-150) £120 £125
G (151-160) £150 £155
H (161-170) £175 £180
I (171-180) £205 £210
J (181-200) £260 £270
K (201-225) £300 £310
L (225-255) £415 £430
M (>255) £440 £455

[amo]

what is all that

plain winglish please

how much do i pay lol

thx amo

[dan the man]

basically cars after 2001 are shafted. :(

[Silver Surfer]

Shucks,

I'll have to part exchange my 2002 530i for an older model! :angry:

But can keep the 91 R/B NSX! :D

SS

[gumball]

Slightly off topic, are there any LPG tax concessions?

[simonprelude]

It basically means if your NSX was first registered in the UK after 01/03/2001 then you will be paying the following road tax.

2009 - £440
2010 - £455

Yes, that's first registered in the UK date, not date of manufacture.


what is all that

plain winglish please

how much do i pay lol

thx amo

[Sudesh]

Are you sure Simon? This would cause some confusion with imported cars then! Because if I import any car today and register it, it would show "first registered in the uk" as being "13/3/2008", even if its a car from the 80's, so I would have though it went by "manufacture date". If not it means my recently imported NSX will fall into the higher tax band even though its a 90's car!!

[simonprelude]

Road Tax - cars registered after 1/3/2001

So yes, cars registered after that date, not manufactured will be liable to the new 13 category ruling.


Are you sure Simon? This would cause some confusion with imported cars then! Because if I import any car today and register it, it would show "first registered in the uk" as being "13/3/2008", even if its a car from the 80's, so I would have though it went by "manufacture date". If not it means my recently imported NSX will fall into the higher tax band even though its a 90's car!!

[amo]

i think your wrong there mate
its cars manufactered
why i say that is when i had the skyline it was a 2000 year and registered in uk 2003
when i went to retax it at the post office they got confussed as they thought i didnt need tax as it was under 3 years but they phoned dvla and they confirmed its year of manufacture no mater which country first registared

thx amo

[Sudesh]

Yeah I think your right amo, when they say "first registered" I think they are going by UK cars, as most UK cars are considered "New" at first registration, therfore being the same as date of manufacture.

I taxed my NSX 2 days ago and when I was taxing it they also went by the date of manufacture not the first registered date, so my years tax was only £185!

[amo]

sweet was gettin a little worried then
but still wouldnt get rid of her mmmmmmmm

thx amo

[simonprelude]

cars registered on or after 1 March 2001 based on CO2 emissions and fuel type

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_4022118

Cars registered before 1 March 2001 (based on engine size)

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_10012524

So it sounds like you have been lucky.

The official stance is registered date.
However on a vehicle that does not require an SVA test I don't think CO2 emissions will be recorded anywhere ??

[simonprelude]

Have checked Amo's car which has no CO details so can't be rated on the emissions.
Sudesh - Your plate is still showing up as on a TRANSIT 350 MWB TD.

[Sudesh]

Yeah my car has just gone through cherished transfer so it takes a while to show on HPI, old reg though is N562AHD

[simonprelude]

Not applicable for CO2 emissions :)


Yeah my car has just gone through cherished transfer so it takes a while to show on HPI, old reg though is N562AHD

[donglethegreat]

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/UNFAIR-VED/#detail

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/greenstealth/

Dam i need to get looking for the 1997 - 200 NSX now, my FN2 is listed £210 this year £300 next and £500 after that! :(

[mutley]

Just got my road tax reminder through? £180 for the year, Woo-Hoo

Jim

[WhyOne?]

Just got my road tax reminder through? £180 for the year, Woo-Hoo

Jim

Isn't that going to be the case for even the less fortunate of us for this year? I though the the shafting taxes for newer cars came into effect from 2009?

[TheSebringOne]

No!? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think in addition to these new VED car tax rates, there will be an additional so called " Show room tax" at the dealers on new cars up to £850.00! :angry: Think it depends on what you buy, the more expensive & worst Co2, then the more you pay, think it will a sliding scale? :dunno:

[simonprelude]

Yes, comes in from 2009.


Isn't that going to be the case for even the less fortunate of us for this year? I though the the shafting taxes for newer cars came into effect from 2009?

[Senninha]

I'm struggling to see the logic in all of this (if any exists). If I'm reading this right then thye are focussed on cars of 5yrs or less with higher emissions. These will be the more heavily taxed vehicles? Doesn't this just push people towards bying/running older less efficient vehicles rather than encouraging them to move to newer more fuel efficient cars? I agree some newer cars may be producing more Co2, but generally they are more economical for mpg?

Its also got me thnking about the family car. Currently an Accord Tourer that needs replacing end of the year. It might just pay to look to an older 5 series tourer or MB tourer. Lot of car for less ££ and no worries about escalting RFL costs?

COnfused :dunno:

regards, Paul

[WhyOne?]

Yep!

I agree Paul.

I think you might just have spotted the slight flaw in this particular plank of Governments 'green' (ha-bloody-ha!) policy.

I will be looking for something large and comfy and environmentally unsound...and more than 5 years old....when I replace the family motor later this year.

[gsuds]

Absolutely correct on both counts Paul - bangernomics does have sense to it...

Firstly you get to drive a well-depreciated but still pretty good car.

Secondly, you're recycling! So better environmentally in the long run to use the slightly less efficient vehicle rather than use more resources to make a new one.

Certainly this is the angle that the classic press are taking!

Cheers

G

[markc]

Bangernonics.. it's the way forward, I've been there for the last 5yrs :) If you can call a 1995 Porsche (993) and a 1997 NSX bangers!

The Federation of British Historic Vehicle Clubs (FBHVC) are doing a pretty good job of co-ordinating sensible arguments against the green/political fruitcases who want to blanket ban all older cas. (http://www.fbhvc.co.uk/news/index.htm)

Don't knock it, our 10yr old NSX's will be subject to this before you know it! Guess we should join up.. Kevin??

Granted reliability is an issue though, I wouldn't trust my 1986 Citroen CX to get me to the end of the road day in day out let alone to do 12K+ miles a year. Shouldn't be a problem for a 2000 model 5 Series or indeed my 1998 E320T.

The internal combustion engine is never going to be more than 30(ish)% efficient so whether it's new one or an 10yr old one it makes little differance really. A 50yr old Fiat 500 will manage 50+mpg just like a new Smart FourTwo will. I know which I'd rather drive and it'd be niether for any journey over 10 miles!!!

Until fuel cell vehicles, or a similar revolutionary propulsion system, are in production and affordable, dino fuel will have to do and governments will have the perfect excuse to tax the living sh*t out of us even though there is no real alternative available to us.

Mark

[TheSebringOne]

Once again Honda provides the solution! :D

http://www.speedace.info/honda.htm

[gsuds]

The dogs won't fit in that one...

Nor my weekly Sainsbury's splurge.

(Yes, both can go in the NSX!)

G

[Boomin33]

Just got my road tax reminder through? £180 for the year, Woo-Hoo

Jim


paid mine 3 weeks ago at £179 ( or there abouts )

So next year it doubles??

More importantly.. I have a 3.2 lexus, 3 litre Vigo, RX7 etc... Think it's time to shed some weight.

[Nick Graves]

That's democracy inaction.

[WhyOne?]

My tax is due in August this year. Rather than buy 12 months in august, would it be 'prudent' to buy 6 months in August and than 12 months in February?

Every little helps!

[simonprelude]

After checking your car on here...........

http://www.vehiclelicence.gov.uk/EvlPortalApp/index.jsp

....I would say yes.


My tax is due in August this year. Rather than buy 12 months in august, would it be 'prudent' to buy 6 months in August and than 12 months in February?

Every little helps!

[WhyOne?]

Goodo...thanks for the confirmation Simon!

At least that puts off paying silly road tax until 2010 :)

[dan the man]

Its a minefield aint it..

The governments a joke, dosent know its ars4 from its elbow.

but does know how tocharge hardworkign folk for thing sthey enjoy..canda within 5 years im there

[jammy84]

just found :

Quote(http://www.number10.gov.uk/Page19483):
However, to reduce financial pressures on motorists during the current economic downturn, the Pre-Budget Report also announced that no motorist will face a tax increase greater than £5 in 2009, and then £30 in 2010. In 2010, many cars will see tax cuts of up to £30. When these more significant rate changes are introduced in 2010, a majority of motorists in post-2001 VED will either pay less or the same as in 2009, in real terms. Drivers of cars purchased between 1 March 2001 and 23 March 2006 that emit over 225g/km will maintain their exemption from the top rate of VED

so nsxs are in the clear right?