Tyres 02+

[richmills]

Hi All, I know the tyres recommendation thing has been done to death for the pre-facelift cars, but I don't remember seeing anything really said about the 02+ situation. So, now that the OEM Dunlop SP8080s are seemingly no longer available, what are people thinking would be a good choice to replace them?

I like the Dunlops on my car and would like to get something as similar as possible handling wise, so would it be a good idea to replace them with the new Dunlop SP9000 or SP2000E? Or should I be looking at Bridgestones/Goodyears?

Cheers, Rich.

[NSX 2000]

Rich

I changed my tyres on my 2005 NSX last week and went with Goodyear Eagle F1's GSD 3's so I know you can get them. The Goodyear IMO is a wonderful all round tyre for every day driving, but as I found out over the weekend not so good on the track, as they went off after just one and half laps of the ring.

I did 3 laps of the ring in the rain and they were wonderful with the car not losing traction once, however on the following day in the sun (temp about 25degC or higher) they only lasted one and half laps befor they went "off" and the car felt like it was on marbles.

HTH, Paul.

PS I have a set of front 02+ OEM Dunlops for sale in the For Sale section.

[richmills]

Rich

I changed my tyres on my 2005 NSX last week and went with Goodyear Eagle F1's GSD 3's so I know you can get them. The Goodyear IMO is a wonderful all round tyre for every day driving, but as I found out over the weekend not so good on the track, as they went off after just one and half laps of the ring.



Hi Paul,

Can I just ask, was there any particular reason why you didn't try replacing your old Dunlops with the newer revision Dunlops?

Cheers, Rich.

[NSX 2000]

Hi Paul,

Can I just ask, was there any particular reason why you didn't try replacing your old Dunlops with the newer revision Dunlops?

Cheers, Rich.

I had a couple of "seat of the pants moments" with the OEM Dunlops so they just had to go, plus out of all the tyre talk on the forum I don't think anybody has recommended the Dunlops. Plus when talking to the tyre shops nobody recommended Dunlops, they all recommended either Bridgestone or Goodyear.
HTH
Paul.

[Papalazarou]

I really liked the RE040's, but now I have RE050's and they're also pretty good. No issues in the wet or the dry really.
They were also pretty reasonable at Japfest considering they were almost new. I did try mixing RE040's on the front with 050's on the back and that really didn't work for me! Even after a few hundred miles they really screwed up the handling. However, I believe Simon did the same on his pre 02 car and had no negative effects.


Cheers,


James.

[simonprelude]

Which reminds me, I need to get some more RE050's for the rear, now I have my rear rims back from Matt.


I really liked the RE040's, but now I have RE050's and they're also pretty good. No issues in the wet or the dry really.
They were also pretty reasonable at Japfest considering they were almost new. I did try mixing RE040's on the front with 050's on the back and that really didn't work for me! Even after a few hundred miles they really screwed up the handling. However, I believe Simon did the same on his pre 02 car and had no negative effects.

[NoelWatson]

Rich

I changed my tyres on my 2005 NSX last week and went with Goodyear Eagle F1's GSD 3's so I know you can get them. The Goodyear IMO is a wonderful all round tyre for every day driving, but as I found out over the weekend not so good on the track, as they went off after just one and half laps of the ring.

I did 3 laps of the ring in the rain and they were wonderful with the car not losing traction once, however on the following day in the sun (temp about 25degC or higher) they only lasted one and half laps befor they went "off" and the car felt like it was on marbles.

HTH, Paul.

PS I have a set of front 02+ OEM Dunlops for sale in the For Sale section.

Paul,

I assume you have these

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Goodyear/Eagle-F1-Asymmetric.htm

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2007-evo-tyre-test.htm

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2007-autocar-tyre-test.htm


which are £104 front

http://www.tyre-shopper.co.uk/ts/search/tyredetails.aspx?code=2154017GY3Z

and

£146 rear

http://www.tyre-shopper.co.uk/ts/search/tyredetails.aspx?code=2554017GY3Z

I am also thing of the RE050A

£121

http://www.tyre-shopper.co.uk/ts/search/tyredetails.aspx?code=2154017BR1Y

£139

http://www.tyre-shopper.co.uk/ts/search/tyredetails.aspx?code=2554017BR4Y

[Senninha]

Noel,

I thnk Paul is on the same tyres as me which are these http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Goodyear/Eagle-F1-GSD3.htm

Great in the wet, good dry when new however this has changed to being good in the wet and better in the dry. This is due to how the tyre evloves over the miles as it changes surface. The outer rain grooves wear which reduces wet grip but puts more rubber on the road more of the time, hence the dry improvement. This change also makes the tyre even quieter with age (just like the little ones at home)

My NSX is on OEM settings (chassis set-up and tyre pressure) and has 14k miles on these tyres, which includes the Japfest track day. The rears are due to be replaced as about 1mm off the wear bar, the front still have 3mm. Wear is typical of the set-up, with no extreme wear to the innerr or outer edges.

HTH, Paul

[NoelWatson]

Noel,

I thnk Paul is on the same tyres as me which are these http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Goodyear/Eagle-F1-GSD3.htm

Great in the wet, good dry when new however this has changed to being good in the wet and better in the dry. This is due to how the tyre evloves over the miles as it changes surface. The outer rain grooves wear which reduces wet grip but puts more rubber on the road more of the time, hence the dry improvement. This change also makes the tyre even quieter with age (just like the little ones at home)

My NSX is on OEM settings (chassis set-up and tyre pressure) and has 14k miles on these tyres, which includes the Japfest track day. The rears are due to be replaced as about 1mm off the wear bar, the front still have 3mm. Wear is typical of the set-up, with no extreme wear to the innerr or outer edges.

HTH, Paul


Paul,

Thanks for feedback. What are you planning to replace your rears with?

Regards

Noel

[NSX 2000]

Paul,

I assume you have these

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Goodyear/Eagle-F1-Asymmetric.htm

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2007-evo-tyre-test.htm

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2007-autocar-tyre-test.htm


which are £104 front

http://www.tyre-shopper.co.uk/ts/search/tyredetails.aspx?code=2154017GY3Z

and

£146 rear

http://www.tyre-shopper.co.uk/ts/search/tyredetails.aspx?code=2554017GY3Z

I am also thing of the RE050A

£121

http://www.tyre-shopper.co.uk/ts/search/tyredetails.aspx?code=2154017BR1Y

£139

http://www.tyre-shopper.co.uk/ts/search/tyredetails.aspx?code=2554017BR4Y


Noel,

I thnk Paul is on the same tyres as me which are these http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Goodyear/Eagle-F1-GSD3.htm

Great in the wet, good dry when new however this has changed to being good in the wet and better in the dry. This is due to how the tyre evloves over the miles as it changes surface. The outer rain grooves wear which reduces wet grip but puts more rubber on the road more of the time, hence the dry improvement. This change also makes the tyre even quieter with age (just like the little ones at home)

My NSX is on OEM settings (chassis set-up and tyre pressure) and has 14k miles on these tyres, which includes the Japfest track day. The rears are due to be replaced as about 1mm off the wear bar, the front still have 3mm. Wear is typical of the set-up, with no extreme wear to the innerr or outer edges.

HTH, Paul

Hi Noel

As Paul (Senninha) says I have the GSD 3's, when I purchased them Goodyear did not do the Asymmetric in our size (this is because Goodyear had only just launched them).

From when we have talked I would think the Goodyear fits your bill the best.

Paul.

PS I still need to reply to your PM.

[Senninha]

Paul,

Thanks for feedback. What are you planning to replace your rears with?

Regards

Noel

I wont mix brands as had bad experience in the past, as have many owners. If I get different rims then could be 17/18 combo which may offer differnt choice.

Waiting to be fitted at present are a set of RE070 :D

[Kevin]

I wont mix brands as had bad experience in the past, as have many owners. If I get different rims then could be 17/18 combo which may offer differnt choice.

Waiting to be fitted at present are a set of RE070 :D

Nice but don't use them till the summer.

[Ewan]

I wont mix brands as had bad experience in the past, as have many owners. If I get different rims then could be 17/18 combo which may offer differnt choice.

Waiting to be fitted at present are a set of RE070 :D

I'd concur with the different brands piece - I replaced my worn RE040s up front with Goodyear F1 GSD3s, and the car feels a bit skittish especially when wet (I've RE050s at the back still; they'll get swapped out soon, though I was hoping to coincide with the Wheels-Inmotion alignment day (http://nsxcb.co.uk/testvb/showthread.php?t=5813) but that's not happening (it seems) until May or so. Guess I better get the rears replaced before then...)

[NoelWatson]

From when we have talked I would think the Goodyear fits your bill the best.



I'm starting to think that way. Was initially put off as you said yours tended to go off on track (I do need to get on the track at least once this year), but didn't realise you had the GSDs rather than the asymmetrics.



PS I still need to reply to your PM.


Much appreciated.

[NoelWatson]

I wont mix brands as had bad experience in the past, as have many owners. If I get different rims then could be 17/18 combo which may offer differnt choice.

Waiting to be fitted at present are a set of RE070 :D

Originally I was tempted to get just the backs done, as the fronts (Dunlop 8070 - have plenty of tread despite them being used when I bought the car and me having done ~13k miles), but I guess if the Goodyear's are that good it will unbalance the car.

[NoelWatson]

Found this today

http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/15587/honda_nsx.html

helped by a choice of grippier rubber. You can pick from newly offered Dunlop SP Sports 8070s, Yokohama Advan A046s or Potenza RE040s, although the latter are only available on the Type T targa model

not sure why that is...

[TheSebringOne]

Great find Noel, this should help those where OEM is no longer a option or available.

[Sebringbug]

Just a cautionary note....F1 GSD3's are becoming harder to source.....last time I couldn't get any and ended up with going with AvonZZ3.....IMHO they are better in the wet, not as good in the dry....much better in the cold and salty conditions. Add to that...Dunlops lasted me 2500 miles F1's 4000 ZZ3 so far 6500 with 3mm to go.

They also mix well with F1's as I have these on the front and we all know they last forever:)

[madras]

Found this today

http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/15587/honda_nsx.html

helped by a choice of grippier rubber. You can pick from newly offered Dunlop SP Sports 8070s, Yokohama Advan A046s or Potenza RE040s, although the latter are only available on the Type T targa model

not sure why that is...

Read this recently as well but are any of these tyres still available and are they side specific (were they ever on the 02+ cars?) like the earlier cars.
thanks.

[mutley]

I recently got a set of F1 GSD's no problem!! It's still a very popular tyre.

Jim

[madras]

from Bridgestone
"
The RE040’s for the Honda NSX ’02 spec did have a unique wheel at each corner. These have been discontinued and replaced by the RE050A. These tyres are asymmetrical which means that one side of a tyre must be facing outwards as is labelled on the sidewall, but is not unique to each corner meaning you can rotate them around the car.

The replacement details are:

Front: 215/ 40 R17 RE050A Z 88 Y – IPC 77642

Rear: 255/40 R17 RE050A Z 88Y – IPC 77644


The IPC number is unique to the tyre. When your tyre dealer phones up to order they can quote these number to get you exact tyre. The mould version specific for you car is denoted by the Z. This is the best way to check they are the right RE050A version when the dealer fits it to your car as the IPC is not displayed on the tyre.
"

[NoelWatson]

from Bridgestone
"
The RE040’s for the Honda NSX ’02 spec did have a unique wheel at each corner. These have been discontinued and replaced by the RE050A. These tyres are asymmetrical which means that one side of a tyre must be facing outwards as is labelled on the sidewall, but is not unique to each corner meaning you can rotate them around the car.

The replacement details are:

Front: 215/ 40 R17 RE050A Z 88 Y – IPC 77642

Rear: 255/40 R17 RE050A Z 88Y – IPC 77644


The IPC number is unique to the tyre. When your tyre dealer phones up to order they can quote these number to get you exact tyre. The mould version specific for you car is denoted by the Z. This is the best way to check they are the right RE050A version when the dealer fits it to your car as the IPC is not displayed on the tyre.
"


Madras,

Did you email them to get this info? Choosing tyres is a royal PITA!

[madras]

Yes, just today. No tyres for earlier cars at all.

bit of a joke really. my car is at Honda and I asked them to put on a full set, they can't, so I can't drive my car. Come on Honda talk to Bridgestone. Please.

[NoelWatson]

Yes, just today. No tyres for earlier cars at all.

bit of a joke really. my car is at Honda and I asked them to put on a full set, they can't, so I can't drive my car. Come on Honda talk to Bridgestone. Please.

How did you get on?

[Ferris Bueller]

I use Toyo T1-R on my '04 car. I buy them from here

http://www.camskill.co.uk/offers.php?cat=4

They're pretty good, offering a fine blend of wet and dry performance and they're relatively cheap.

ETA.

They have GSD3 as well.

http://www.camskill.co.uk/products.php?plid=m4b405s321p0

[NoelWatson]

I use Toyo T1-R on my '04 car. I buy them from here

http://www.camskill.co.uk/offers.php?cat=4

They're pretty good, offering a fine blend of wet and dry performance and they're relatively cheap.

ETA.

They have GSD3 as well.

http://www.camskill.co.uk/products.php?plid=m4b405s321p0

Apparently the GSDs have gone downhill since manufacturing was moved to China

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=570902

[NoelWatson]

from Bridgestone
"
The RE040’s for the Honda NSX ’02 spec did have a unique wheel at each corner. These have been discontinued and replaced by the RE050A. These tyres are asymmetrical which means that one side of a tyre must be facing outwards as is labelled on the sidewall, but is not unique to each corner meaning you can rotate them around the car.

The replacement details are:

Front: 215/ 40 R17 RE050A Z 88 Y – IPC 77642

Rear: 255/40 R17 RE050A Z 88Y – IPC 77644


The IPC number is unique to the tyre. When your tyre dealer phones up to order they can quote these number to get you exact tyre. The mould version specific for you car is denoted by the Z. This is the best way to check they are the right RE050A version when the dealer fits it to your car as the IPC is not displayed on the tyre.
"

The code IPC 77642 appears to be for load 83 rather than 88

http://www.citytyre.co.uk/tyre-1755-215_40_R17_83Y_BRIDGESTONE_RE050.htm

http://www.firststoppartners.co.uk/Downloads/General/OE%20Fitment%20Guides/Bridgestone%20OE%20Fitments%20by%20manufacturer%20-%2005.09.06.pdf

[NoelWatson]

Am quite tempted to get the Continental - Sport Contact 3

http://www.etyres.co.uk/car-tyres-uk/detaillabel?productId=7055
http://www.etyres.co.uk/car-tyres-uk/detaillabel?productId=15584

Had some decent reviews

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Continental/Sport-Contact-3.htm

only other choice that I can see is the Bridgestones

[Nick Graves]

Think someone tried those on an 86 & decided the wet grip was sh it.

I really like the AD08s; don't they make them in your size?

[NoelWatson]

Think someone tried those on an 86 & decided the wet grip was sh it.

I really like the AD08s; don't they make them in your size?

Only W rated - 168mph - and the 02+ is supposed to be able to do 175, so not sure about insurance implications

http://www.yokohamatire.com/tires/detail/advan_neova_ad08

[Nick Graves]

I think you're meant to inform the insurance & try not to do 175 or something.

[NSX 2000]

Only W rated - 168mph - and the 02+ is supposed to be able to do 175, so not sure about insurance implications

http://www.yokohamatire.com/tires/detail/advan_neova_ad08

Not according to the 2003 HONDA NSX brochure top speed is only 170mph. Plus I thought we couldn't get yours to go faster than 172mph any way.

How are tricks? The Russians still treating you well? Still got the BMW?

[NSX 2000]

Am quite tempted to get the Continental - Sport Contact 3

http://www.etyres.co.uk/car-tyres-uk/detaillabel?productId=7055
http://www.etyres.co.uk/car-tyres-uk/detaillabel?productId=15584

Had some decent reviews

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Continental/Sport-Contact-3.htm

only other choice that I can see is the Bridgestones

Goodyear have 2 tyres that fit, the Efficient Grip and the Eagle F1 Aysmmetric 2

http://www.goodyear.eu/uk_en/tires/tire-finder/car/index.jsp?publication=2077&component=0&width=215&height=40&rim=17

http://www.goodyear.eu/uk_en/tires/tire-finder/car/index.jsp?publication=2077&component=0&width=255&height=40&rim=17

[Problem Child]

Goodyear have 2 tyres that fit, the Efficient Grip and the Eagle F1 Aysmmetric 2

http://www.goodyear.eu/uk_en/tires/tire-finder/car/index.jsp?publication=2077&component=0&width=215&height=40&rim=17

http://www.goodyear.eu/uk_en/tires/tire-finder/car/index.jsp?publication=2077&component=0&width=255&height=40&rim=17

Very poor choice of tyres for 16" and 17" wheels if yoo want to have the same tyre all round. The Advan Neova AD)*s are available for both front and rears but their EU ratings are poor. The Dunlops are better but I havent heard any formu members rate them. Bridgestone 40's are available for the front and 50's on the back but I think someone had a nasty experience with that combo

[TheSebringOne]

The Yokos are a semi track tyre & the sort of tyre that suits the NSX. The Eagle F1 Aysmmetric 2 are highly rated in most
car mags tyre test reviews. I think the GY efficient grip are a non performance tyre? Some owners have used the
BS RE040 & RE050 combo and seem to be happy with them.

[NSX 2000]

Very poor choice of tyres for 16" and 17" wheels if yoo want to have the same tyre all round. The Advan Neova AD)*s are available for both front and rears but their EU ratings are poor. The Dunlops are better but I havent heard any formu members rate them. Bridgestone 40's are available for the front and 50's on the back but I think someone had a nasty experience with that combo

I know some owners don't drive their NSX's very fast so I thought the Efficient Grip would be more suitable for them. ;)


It would appear that 17" front and rear tyre sizes are hard to find, 16" front and 17" rear are very hard to find, 15" front and 16" rear are like the proverbial "hens teeth".

[WhyOne?]

....... The Goodyear IMO is a wonderful all round tyre.......

Yup, it has to be said, that is a tremendous attribute in a tyre!

[NSX 2000]

Yup, it has to be said, that is a tremendous attribute in a tyre!

Ian it's taken you almost 5 years to notice my comment, I have to admit this is bad form from NSXCB as James or Luke would normally have picked up on this ;)

[WhyOne?]

Ian it's taken you almost 5 years to notice my comment, I have to admit this is bad form from NSXCB as James or Luke would normally have picked up on this ;)

You set 'em up and I'll knock 'em down.......................eventually!!!!

[Senninha]

Am quite tempted to get the Continental - Sport Contact 3



As I like you I must Strongly recommend AGAINST the SC3's .... unless of course you like looking out of the side windows ....

I liked the earlier Goodyear but coupe owners may not like as much as the side walls are softer (works well for my Targa) ... the Yokohamas return the sidewall stiffness of the OEM tyres

I also liked the Hankook Evo 12's as a good all round tyre and stil lhave these on my spare rims.

Just for reference, I'm currently running Kumho Ecsta Le Sport KU39 on my daily and have found these to be very good all round tyres

regards, Paul

[Nick Graves]

The Yokos are a semi track tyre & the sort of tyre that suits the NSX. The Eagle F1 Aysmmetric 2 are highly rated in most
car mags tyre test reviews. I think the GY efficient grip are a non performance tyre? Some owners have used the
BS RE040 & RE050 combo and seem to be happy with them.

I'd concur with that synposis - Efficient Grip is hardly an inspiring title.

I use F1A2s on the 'Lude, which I drive on its limits in both good and terrible weather conditions.

I'd not recommend the latter in the NSX...hence the AD08s.

[TheSebringOne]

Well Paul (NSX 2000), how would you rate people's chances of finding a tyre for the spare wheel!

I'm running GY F1 GSD3s, a very good tyre but not as stiff of my fave OEM BS RE010, sadly no longer made!
I think they will improve once the tyre blocks wear down as Paul (Senniha) can concur. Yes Paul, I will get there!

[Nick Graves]

I understand the RE002 Adrenalin (!) is the new kid on the block.

You might have to get them from Japan though - not sold here.

[NoelWatson]

Not according to the 2003 HONDA NSX brochure top speed is only 170mph. Plus I thought we couldn't get yours to go faster than 172mph any way.

How are tricks? The Russians still treating you well? Still got the BMW?

164mph was my best, but one day I will make the effort to attempt VMax on the autobahn! Thnings are good at my end - hope all is well with you - will give you a call. Long overdue a meet

[NoelWatson]

As I like you I must Strongly recommend AGAINST the SC3's .... unless of course you like looking out of the side windows ....


regards, Paul


Thanks - will cross those off the list

[markc]

As I like you I must Strongly recommend AGAINST the SC3's .... unless of course you like looking out of the side windows ....
[/SIZE]

You are kidding right? We've got them on the TT and my friend has them on his C63 AMG, what a weapon that is :)

They're the best road tyres I've used to date and I'm sure they're the only reason the C63 manages to move forward at all!

[Senninha]

My daily is a C350 est and on anything other than a warm dry surface those tyres simply dont work .... great if you like to do a Smokey Clarkson drive but not for a reasurred a to b drive without sweaty palms.

Maybe I dont drive them hard enough to get the performance from them, but they are not for me so simply airing my opinion and would hate to see a bent LBBP NSX when I could of said something...

Noel knows his car well and tests the limits when in the mood, but the NSX is not, IMHO, a car you want to get caught by when you're simply making good progress ...

Perhaps it needs a C63 to get them warmed up to work properly ;o)

[markc]

Perhaps it needs a C63 to get them warmed up to work properly ;o)

They work brilliantly on the TT as well though. Maybe they get the hump about being on a weasel powered car :)

Over the last few years Conti's have done really well in tests and reviews as well, here's an example... http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2012-EVO-Max-Performance-Tyre-Test.htm