Vmax - what happenned?

[Senninha]

At least 2 NSX were due at the event today to try and top the NSX timed record of 162mph over the 1.6mile distance.

By the lack of post(s), I'm guessing there's nothing to shout about despite lots of power mods .........

I'd also like to be sure that all came away safely too!

regards, Paul

[NSX 2000]

All came away fine which is more than can be said about the odd audi or 2.

With regards to beating the previous best of 162 lets just say........

[AR]

I was not aware of this, who was going?

I am hoping that in a few months I might be able to attend one of this.

Cheers,

AR

[simonprelude]

I was not aware of this, who was going?

I am hoping that in a few months I might be able to attend one of this.

Cheers,

AR

You'll need a quieter exhaust :(

[amo]

i have a muffler and never knew of this ohh welll
thx amo

[BlueNSX]

All came away fine which is more than can be said about the odd audi or 2.

With regards to beating the previous best of 162 lets just say........
:)

164 or was it 165 :eek:

[AR]

I think that 164 or 165 can be easily impproved...with some FI. :)

[Silver Surfer]

Results here: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=133&t=659129&mid=75199&nmt=VMAX%20Adrenaline%20Attendees%20&%20Results

SS

[NoelWatson]

Results here: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=133&t=659129&mid=75199&nmt=VMAX%20Adrenaline%20Attendees%20&%20Results

SS

Was a very warn day, and no tail wind like last time, so probably best to compare to others marques (which tended to be a fair way down). We beat

Cayman
M3 CSL
E39 M5
Monaro
E46 M3

so the mods must've made a big difference. My car was affected by the heat more than the anonymous flyer, so am keen to fit my elusive engine cover. I reckon with this, hi-flo cats, autumn weather and a following wind, 166 is on the cards, but as it stands, 164 is the number to beat.

[Senninha]

Why no results for NSX 2000 or Trackdemon?

164 ... its going the right way

Guess I'll have to make the next one and raise the bar ;)

regards, Paul

[NoelWatson]

Why no results for NSX 2000 or Trackdemon?

164 ... its going the right way

Guess I'll have to make the next one and raise the bar ;)

regards, Paul

Trackdemon was in his Z4, the anonymous flyer in the post above was our very own NSX2000. We both did 1 164 but he got a lot more 163s than me.

[Senninha]

Well your results do support one thing ...

It costs a LOT of ££ to improve on the original. All of Honda R&D to improve the aerodynamics, plus your ££ in exhaust and airbox and we get 2 mph.

regards,

[NoelWatson]

Well your results do support one thing ...

It costs a LOT of ££ to improve on the original. All of Honda R&D to improve the aerodynamics, plus your ££ in exhaust and airbox and we get 2 mph.

regards,

We need to compare like with like. I was getting beaten by the M3s and Caymans last time by around 2 mph. And to get the 162mph I was flat shifting - I wasn't doing that yesterday. Comparing like with like I reckon it was around 4 mph improvement, which I reckon equates to around 13bhp at the wheels.

I had a chat with the organiser and mentioned that I will try to get a few more NSXCB people along next time and he was fine with that - I reckon it will be September time.

[NSX 2000]

Well your results do support one thing ...

It costs a LOT of ££ to improve on the original. All of Honda R&D to improve the aerodynamics, plus your ££ in exhaust and airbox and we get 2 mph.

regards,

This was a good fun day but as with all good fun things the fun police have moaned about the noise so one or two cars could only have one or two runs due to being to loud plus on the way back to the start you were not allowed to "hang the tail out" unlike previous meets.

To compare the results Noel's car and mine are pretty much identical, including the same tyres (Goodyear eagle F1's). So to go faster with out speending big £££££ I guess we need to look at cats or rather get rid of them and may be tyres???

The other thing is we had to change into 6th so when I passed the timing beam the car was only doing just over 6.5k rpm.

Paul.

[NoelWatson]

This was a good fun day but as with all good fun things the fun police have moaned about the noise so one or two cars could only have one or two runs due to being to loud plus on the way back to the start you were not allowed to "hang the tail out" unlike previous meets.

To compare the results Noel's car and mine are pretty much identical, including the same tyres (Goodyear eagle F1's). So to go faster with out speending big £££££ I guess we need to look at cats or rather get rid of them and may be tyres???

The other thing is we had to change into 6th so when I passed the timing beam the car was only doing just over 6.5k rpm.

Paul.


Talking of hanging the tail out,

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=bruntingthorpe&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=13.701106,38.540039&ie=UTF8&ll=52.489627,-1.1245&spn=0.003443,0.009409&t=h&z=17

this corner could be taken in 3rd at around 80 with just a hint of opposite lock - the traction control cutting in occasionally to tame the slide - fantastic. We have a DVD on order - hopefully some of the cornering shots will be on this.

When I was sulking earlier in the day (before I discovered that my car needs to nudge the limiter in each gear to get the good speeds), I was pondering a GT-R to humiliate NSX2000 at future meets (his gloating was insufferable!!), but looking at warranty constraints it would appear that you have to take your car to have oil changed if it gets above a certain temperature - I think this would've happened yesterday. We also talked to someone about a Ferrari (430?) that required a new clutch after less than 10 launches with launch control.

maybe we take our reliability for granted??

[NoelWatson]

Was a very warn day, and no tail wind like last time, so probably best to compare to others marques (which tended to be a fair way down). We beat

Cayman
M3 CSL
E39 M5
Monaro
E46 M3

so the mods must've made a big difference. My car was affected by the heat more than the anonymous flyer, so am keen to fit my elusive engine cover. I reckon with this, hi-flo cats, autumn weather and a following wind, 166 is on the cards, but as it stands, 164 is the number to beat.

Apparently the R8 only managed 162 - seems very low

[jaytip]

This is the biggest supprise on the chart for me;

Cyclone1 BMW 335D 167mph

[TheSebringOne]

Thats a real shock that the R8 only managed 162!? Especially with over 400 bhp & aero shape.

[Ewan]

I was pondering a GT-R to humiliate NSX2000 at future meets (his gloating was insufferable!!), but looking at warranty constraints it would appear that you have to take your car to have oil changed if it gets above a certain temperature - I think this would've happened yesterday.

I was talking to a mate last week who's looking for a "potential 4-seat family every-day car that can go trackday and not waste itself". The GT-R came up right until he said the warranty excluded use on track and the fact that they could tell you'd used it on track meant, if you did and anything went wrong, you'd be stuck.

Someone on a forum hit a possible resolution: take it to a dealer immediately before tracking, and get them to check everything out. Take it back immediately after.... and if everything is OK, then warranty is still good - anything that broke in the meantime, it's your lookout.

Given that the background sales pitch for the GT-R is "it goes round the Nurburgring faster than a 911 Turbo !! woo hoo!!", that seems to be taking the pi$$ somewhat.

[NoelWatson]

This is the biggest supprise on the chart for me;

Cyclone1 BMW 335D 167mph

Very impressive - not sure what he had done to it. You could see when he prepared for a launch he was holding it on the brakes. It took a long time for the E90 M3 (414bhp) to pull ahead when they set off together

[NoelWatson]

Thats a real shock that the R8 only managed 162!? Especially with over 400 bhp & aero shape.

Vixpy (the chap that runs Surrey Rolling Road)

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=133&t=653958&mid=31217&i=280&nmt=Vmax%20Adrenaline%20-%20the%20renaissance&mid=31217

is saying that the engines go off colour easily. I thought that was reserved for Italian marques?!

[NoelWatson]

Someone on a forum hit a possible resolution: take it to a dealer immediately before tracking, and get them to check everything out. Take it back immediately after.... and if everything is OK, then warranty is still good - anything that broke in the meantime, it's your lookout.




In the real world, this will be a royal PITA. Assuming you were going to VMax last Sunday. You would have to take the car to the nearest specialist GTR dealer (1 hour away in my case), wait until they had done the work then come home. You would have to repeat after the trackday (and change oil if it became too hot). Expensive in times of time and cost. Nissan should've charged more for the car and done it properly.

[DamianW]

Interesting you beat the E39 M5 (my current car)! I guess at those speeds aerodynamics come into it. At sane speeds I'd say the M5 is quicker than my old NSX. Until you get to a corner.

[NoelWatson]

Interesting you beat the E39 M5 (my current car)! I guess at those speeds aerodynamics come into it. At sane speeds I'd say the M5 is quicker than my old NSX. Until you get to a corner.

I think he may have been hitting his limiter (although I thought that these didn't work if you stayed in 5th??)

[DamianW]

No idea, I only drive the thing on public roads and don't fancy a spell in the clink ;)

[markc]

This is the biggest supprise on the chart for me;

Cyclone1 BMW 335D 167mph


Very impressive - not sure what he had done to it. You could see when he prepared for a launch he was holding it on the brakes. It took a long time for the E90 M3 (414bhp) to pull ahead when they set off together

Hmmm, no doubt a good result but I have to ask why? Other than the obvious going really fast in a straight line.

Sports cars are about the noise and feel they give as much as the performance and speed they provide.

I can just imagine the intense excitement provided by the induction howl and exhaust scream as that Beemers diesel six banger nudged the 4,800rpm redline... NOT :(

I for one would trade a few mph for the soundtrack of either the old E46 M3's 8K revs capable 6 pot or the new E90's snarly 8.5K capable V8 :)

Cheers

Mark

[NoelWatson]

Hmmm, no doubt a good result but I have to ask why? Other than the obvious going really fast in a straight line.

Sports cars are about the noise and feel they give as much as the performance and speed they provide.

I can just imagine the intense excitement provided by the induction howl and exhaust scream as that Beemers diesel six banger nudged the 4,800rpm redline... NOT :(

I for one would trade a few mph for the soundtrack of either the old E46 M3's 8K revs capable 6 pot or the new E90's snarly 8.5K capable V8 :)

Cheers

Mark

I thought the E46 M3 sounded distinctly average compared to the NSX when I went in it one the last VMax, althought you couldn't argue with the straightline speed. The SMG shifts at maximum attack made me wince - the diff must've suffered judging by the bang on upshifts in the lower gears.

[markc]

In the real world, this will be a royal PITA. Assuming you were going to VMax last Sunday. You would have to take the car to the nearest specialist GTR dealer (1 hour away in my case), wait until they had done the work then come home. You would have to repeat after the trackday (and change oil if it became too hot). Expensive in times of time and cost. Nissan should've charged more for the car and done it properly.

I'm kind of on Nissan's side on this but also think it will impact the GTR's reputation for reliability and durability regardless of whether any inherant weakness exist.

I don't think they have actually underengineed the car or scrimped anywhere to get it to the price they charge but I do suspect that the price does not give them much room to pay out on lots of big warranty claims. These might result from failures when driven legitimately at track days, probably fair enough, or from complete idiot drivers (journalists etc) ragging the cars unnecessarily ie donuts, spin turns etc.

Porsche, Ferrari, Aston, Lambo etc price their cars so that they make far more profit per vehicle and therefore have plenty in the warranty bank to fix them.

You'd probably still spend less on repairing a GTR a couple of times than you'd lose in deprieciation over 3 years on a 997 Turbo, F599, F430 or DBS. Assuming Porsche, Ferrari, Aston honour their warranty when you pitch up with grass and gravel in every air duct and a melted V12 ;)

Cheers

Mark

[markc]

I thought the E46 M3 sounded distinctly average compared to the NSX when I went in it one the last VMax, althought you couldn't argue with the straightline speed. The SMG shifts at maximum attack made me wince - the diff must've suffered judging by the bang on upshifts in the lower gears.

The E46 M3 is a bit like the NSX in that respect Noel, the occupants get a better soundtrack than people watching/listening from the outside. It's all about the induction howl :)

Did the CSL you rode in have a aftermarket exhaust? Again like the NSX a louder exhaust actually takes away, drowns out, the fantastic induction snort.

I'm currently running my standard exhaust and, on the couple of occassions I've taken the car out for a trash, have loved the pure induction dominated NSX engine note :)

Cheers

Mark

[NSXGB]

The SMG shifts at maximum attack made me wince - the diff must've suffered judging by the bang on upshifts in the lower gears.

Know what you mean about the shifts, went round Bedford as a passenger in an E46 M3, he managed to get the level 7 (?) SMG setting engaged which was severe....like someone was using a sledgehammer on the rear axle. Thought the engine sounded good though.

[NoelWatson]

The E46 M3 is a bit like the NSX in that respect Noel, the occupants get a better soundtrack than people watching/listening from the outside. It's all about the induction howl :)

Did the CSL you rode in have a aftermarket exhaust? Again like the NSX a louder exhaust actually takes away, drowns out, the fantastic induction snort.

I'm currently running my standard exhaust and, on the couple of occassions I've taken the car out for a trash, have loved the pure induction dominated NSX engine note :)

Cheers

Mark

It was a standard M3 that I went in (not CSL) - think the exhaust was standard - thought the sound was very muted compared to ours.

I can't believe you have gone backwards in terms of power, but at least it gives you an excuse to come to TDI again and see if you have the most powerful standard car!!

[markc]

I can't believe you have gone backwards in terms of power, but at least it gives you an excuse to come to TDI again and see if you have the most powerful standard car!!

I swapped the exhaust back for a potential track day but never attended. I'm taking over the race cat purchase from Simon(prelude) and will probably refit the Dali when I get the new cats.

It is nice to get the original NSX in-cabin sound back but I have noticed the power loss. I feel it more in the mid range than at the top.

Cheers

Mark

[AR]

I swapped the exhaust back for a potential track day but never attended. I'm taking over the race cat purchase from Simon(prelude) and will probably refit the Dali when I get the new cats.

It is nice to get the original NSX in-cabin sound back but I have noticed the power loss. I feel it more in the mid range than at the top.

Cheers

Mark

Mark,

Have you added and intake scoop, or at least remove the resonator and butterfly from the OEM scoop? It makes a hell of a difference. If you don't want to mess up your OEM set up I have my OEM scoop you can have FOC.

Cheers,

Ary

[TheSebringOne]

Audi supercar with a dodgy engine!? I wonder if the RS4 with fundamentally the same engine, but not dry sumped would have managed more? Aerodynamically it must be inferior compared to the R8?

[Silver Surfer]

Audi supercar with a dodgy engine!? I wonder if the RS4 with fundamentally the same engine, but not dry sumped would have managed more? Aerodynamically it must be inferior compared to the R8?

Not sure about the B7 RS4 but the re-mapped B5 RS4 tops it between 180-200mph. :D

SS

[TheSebringOne]

SS, I was refering to the latest standard RS4, but aren't they limited to 155mph or the limiter can be removed? Having said that, those remapped RS4s are achieving obscene top speeds! Shame that remapping isn't that simple with the NSX! :(

[NoelWatson]

Audi supercar with a dodgy engine!? I wonder if the RS4 with fundamentally the same engine, but not dry sumped would have managed more? Aerodynamically it must be inferior compared to the R8?

RS4s were getting ~170 in better conditions last time.

[NoelWatson]

Talking of hanging the tail out,

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=bruntingthorpe&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=13.701106,38.540039&ie=UTF8&ll=52.489627,-1.1245&spn=0.003443,0.009409&t=h&z=17

this corner could be taken in 3rd at around 80 with just a hint of opposite lock - the traction control cutting in occasionally to tame the slide - fantastic. We have a DVD on order - hopefully some of the cornering shots will be on this.

When I was sulking earlier in the day (before I discovered that my car needs to nudge the limiter in each gear to get the good speeds), I was pondering a GT-R to humiliate NSX2000 at future meets (his gloating was insufferable!!), but looking at warranty constraints it would appear that you have to take your car to have oil changed if it gets above a certain temperature - I think this would've happened yesterday. We also talked to someone about a Ferrari (430?) that required a new clutch after less than 10 launches with launch control.

maybe we take our reliability for granted??

Here was the corner
http://www.stevehallphotography.net/PICS/VMAX/DSC_6618.jpg

[NSX 2000]

Who is that funny bloke in the passenger seat.

Looks like some crazed Aussie :laugh: :laugh:

[NSXGB]

Nice photo, I like it. I would however suggest a full face helmet in the future. . . :)

[markc]

Not sure about the B7 RS4 but the re-mapped B5 RS4 tops it between 180-200mph. :D

SS

They need a bit more than just a re-map to achieve that. Plenty of them destroy their engines as well. Good fun anyway :)

Cheers

Mark

[Silver Surfer]

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=133&t=659129&mid=75199&nmt=VMAX%20Adrenaline%20Attendees%20&%20Results

Result in chronological order of top speed acchieved.......dominated by Porsches!!....and a RS4 B5.

SS

[NoelWatson]

Who is that funny bloke in the passenger seat.

Looks like some crazed Aussie :laugh: :laugh:

You can see him here again at 32 seconds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok0CnpXBq7s

[markc]

You can see him here again at 32 seconds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok0CnpXBq7s

Mark's definitely a Ferrari fan, he must have been loving that ride :)

Am I the only person that thinks the 430 sounds a bit, well flat? They're certainly loud but more raspy, some would say "farty", than the cylinder count would suggest. I know the flat plane crank design is why they sound different but you'd have thought Ferrari with all their resources would be able to do better.

Apparently the engine sounds better from inside the car, a trait it shares with the NSX of course.

Cheers

Mark

[NoelWatson]

Am I the only person that thinks the 430 sounds a bit, well flat?

The 355 on the other hand

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdQ-_aHVqno&feature=related

[markc]

The 355 on the other hand

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdQ-_aHVqno&feature=related

Now that's what I'm talking about :)

Not a standard exhaust though. One by Mr Capristo I believe.

Cheers

Mark

[Ewan]

Then again, the 360CS sounds rather pleasant too...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyrE15q7LSw

:D

[Hagasan]

No sound on this one but the flames near the end are interesting....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1d4rMfibFc&feature=related

[NSXGB]

I have not pasted the link but it was on the same page as the 355 clip...I thought the Countach LP500 sounded very rude....check it out...

[Ewan]

No sound on this one but the flames near the end are interesting....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1d4rMfibFc&feature=related

Same clip with audio on http://www.caffeteria.cz/index.php?categoryid=11&p2_articleid=36

[NSXGB]

Same clip with audio on http://www.caffeteria.cz/index.php?categoryid=11&p2_articleid=36

Thanks for that link Ewan, gets past my proxy so I can watch it at work (you tube doesn't)...

[Senninha]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wGIESVsY_4&feature=related

A little something to cheer up you 164 achievers ... :)

[Silver Surfer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wGIESVsY_4&feature=related

A little something to cheer up you 164 achievers ... :)

I was interested to see the 'mid range comparison against the Gallardo' at end....:(

SS

[NoelWatson]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wGIESVsY_4&feature=related

A little something to cheer up you 164 achievers ... :)

Nice! I recall the drag is 0.32 for the Type-R vs 0.3 for 02+. I reckon this requires an extra 12bhp (at wheels) at 164mph. Looks as though that car didn't have much more power than standard (he had a long period at WOT - probably similar to VMax)

I'm aiming for 165 when we get the cats and I fit my engine cover (makes a difference with hear soak I reckon), and then I will call it quits.

[NSX 2000]

Nice! I recall the drag is 0.32 for the Type-R vs 0.3 for 02+. I reckon this requires an extra 12bhp (at wheels) at 164mph. Looks as though that car didn't have much more power than standard (he had a long period at WOT - probably similar to VMax)



Plus the type r has lower gearing IIRC

[NoelWatson]

Plus the type r has lower gearing IIRC

Indeed. He was much closer to peak power than us.

[Senninha]

Nice! I recall the drag is 0.32 for the Type-R vs 0.3 for 02+. I reckon this requires an extra 12bhp (at wheels) at 164mph. Looks as though that car didn't have much more power than standard (he had a long period at WOT - probably similar to VMax)

I'm aiming for 165 when we get the cats and I fit my engine cover (makes a difference with hear soak I reckon), and then I will call it quits.

Don't forget to give plenty or notice as I would love to give this a go!

[NoelWatson]

Don't forget to give plenty or notice as I would love to give this a go!

You have first refusal - that is assuming we get our cats in time.