NSX found, I need your help please

[NSX_Spain]

Hello everyone from sunny Spain!

[rsevo6]

Hi,

Welcome here, do get a NSX, it is a very special car to have.

Just in case it is of intrest to you, I have 2 NSX, one of these, a LHD silver 1998 Na2 NSX-T 3.2 6-speed is for sale in The Netherlands, one of the best in the country i'm told by several NSX specialists;).

If this is possibly of interest to you, I can give you more info.

[Unregistered]

Hello and thank you. It depends on the mileage really. As per pricing, I must use the 2005 example that I found as a benchmark, as I do not think that I will find anything above that in terms of age/mileage combination. What do you think about that one by the way, is it really that hard to come across? (still with original Honda guarantee until March-2010).

Cheers

[havoc]

Hard to say whether that's a good price or not, because of the poor exchange-rate € to £.

£50,000 in the UK would be too much for that car - there was a similar late-model car for sale in the UK at £40,000, which a few people were saying is too high, but in reality is probably not that far off - good condition NA2's (2002-2004) have been selling for between £28k and 34k recently, from what I can gather.

But if you go back to historic exchange rates, say 1.4 or 1.5, €55k becomes £36-40k...which is probably what I'd advertise a car like the one you're describing at! The final paid price will of course be a little less...


I'd ask around the European NSX clubs, see what they think...in any event it sounds fantastic, and having just bought a yellow NA1 myself, it's in the right colour! ;)

Best of luck with your search,

Martin.

[NSX_Spain]

Thanks for your help havoc.


Cheers

[rsevo6]

The 2005 car is a very rare find in LHD, if you can and want to spend that kind of money, and/ or you want the new style appearance, it is a very realistic price.

LHD prices cannot be compared to RHD, which are a lot less rare and therefore significantly cheaper.

My LHD '98 NSX has 96.600 Km on it, 100.000 Km service already done and is in very good /mechanically top condition.
Mileage is not too important on a NSX, wether it is 50K or 100K, it can take a lot more and it is more important how it was used.

Also the '98 is the old style front and rear, some like it better than the new style, some like the new style better, question of taste.
For the rest, the '98 and the '05 are technically almost identical.

My price for the '98 is about 25% lower than for the '05 and in my opinion it doesn't offer much less. I myself couldn't justify the extra expense for a '02-up model compared to the '98 just for the appearance.

[AR]

Get a modded one from the US with all the things you are likely to want done to it.

[NSX_Spain]

Thanks rsevo6, your feedback is quite reasonable.
Many thanks:)

pd. I didn't realise that there would be such a big difference between RHD and LHD prices - there are 2 examples going for 80k and 70k in Germany (mobile.de), but I think these are not realistic market prices.

[NSX_Spain]

Thanks, I thought about the Acura option in the States too, but it's simply too much hassle for me and it is not cost-effective either, if you account for all the import duties which are quite high for cars coming from the States. Additionally, I intend to use the car and keep it for the long run too, so I would much rather have a original version and keep it that way.

[Unregistered]

I have done some research throughout the Spanish Honda forums and it seems that this same unit was sold 18 months ago for 60k Euros.

[Papalazarou]

I cannot see that the owner selling the car after 18 months is indicative of anything except wanting to move on and put his/her money into something else.
A small number of the final 12 Uk cars have resold in the last 12 months at considerably less.



Cheers,



James.

[NSX_Spain]

Thanks James. Thanks to all of you for such productive feedback.

[rsevo6]

pd. I didn't realise that there would be such a big difference between RHD and LHD prices - there are 2 examples going for 80k and 70k in Germany (mobile.de), but I think these are not realistic market prices.

Don't think these sellers really want to sell at all. Perhaps just showing the cars off, wanting attention and who knows, there is always a remote chance a dumbass passes by who wants one at any price :rolleyes:


why would someone buy a final year 2005 model with very low mileage and sell it 18 months later for 5k Euros less? Either the current owner would rather have most of his money back after having used the car for 18 months or, more worryingly, the car has had some kind of damage, mechanical problem or something else happened (e.g. theft, etc.) that makes him want to get rid of this car.

A ownership of 18 months is not too unusual I think.
There may be many very viable reasons why someone may choose to sell after such a ownership period, having nothing to do with the condition of the car, wouldn't worry me a bit. Would be more hesitant if ownership was like 1-6 months:rolleyes:


At the same time, I do not find it reasonable to buy a car from the Honda dealership at 60k Euros 18 months ago and sell it on now for 55k, after it has been through a second owner, with added mileage, and obviously 18 months of additional use.

I think I'll put a firm offer for 50k Euros, and at the same time make them aware, in the politest possible way, that I know that the car was sold through the same Honda dealership 18 months ago for 60k (or thereabouts, it could be even lower).
Best regards

NSX tend to loose very little value over time, especially a very rare LHD 2005.
Price will be just depending on how fast the seller wants to get rid of it.
Also, at this price level, a seller will probably expect a 10% lower sale price and will have his asking price based on this.
A bid of 50K sounds quite reasonable and imho will make a good chance of getting it. Good luck.

[goldnsx]

Mileage is not too important on a NSX, wether it is 50K or 100K, it can take a lot more and it is more important how it was used.

That's true as long as you keep the car forever. If you like to sell it after some years the potential buyers will stay away due to the psychological 100'000 km barrier but that's just them not knowing that the NSX is a little bit different than other cars.

Anyway, the market for NSX's in different countries like RHD and LHD are not very good comparable.

The cars in Germany are a tad too expensive. The 80k black one is listed since 5 (?) years or so and will never be sold at this price IMO.

The Netherlands or Italy have quite a lot for sale (www.autoscout.de (http://www.autoscout.de)). Don't know of the condition of the later ones.

In general: As the market is very, very small, if you want to buy one quite quickly you have to compromize on the version, color, price etc. Take your time with your search. The winter is coming soon and there might be a bigger choice of NSX's.

[NSX_Spain]

Thanks for the feedback, this is excellent.

[rsevo6]

The Netherlands or Italy have quite a lot for sale (www.autoscout.de (http://www.autoscout.de)). Don't know of the condition of the later ones.

In general: As the market is very, very small, if you want to buy one quite quickly you have to compromize on the version, color, price etc. Take your time with your search. The winter is coming soon and there might be a bigger choice of NSX's.

In The Netherlands, the ones for sale are almost all early '90/'91 with a few exceptions mostly not very nice ones, only 2 Na2 version ('97 and '98) for sale here.
Don't think the wintertime has much/if any influence on the sales of NSX, finding a good one is always difficult. I myself have looked for mine for more than 6 months all over Europe, having looked at quite a few not very nice ones, before finally deciding the Silver '98 was good enough for my standards.

Only reason for putting it on sale it is that completely by accident I found myself a very nice Comtech supercharged version with all the toys I wanted that I just couldn't resist.;)

[rsevo6]

As far as I know the NSX was never sold with anything other than the standard stereo, so the Alpine doubledin is aftermarket I think.
The pics are very non-informative I think, give no info other than model and colour, quite useless.

But even if pics look good, in real life things can be a lot different. I myself recently looked at another car that looked pristene in the pics, but turned out close to a wreck when visited to have a real look.:angry:

[NSX_Spain]

Thanks. I think you're probably right on the stereo,

[goldnsx]

In The Netherlands, the ones for sale are almost all early '90/'91 with a few exceptions mostly not very nice ones, only 2 Na2 version ('97 and '98) for sale here.

Same for Switzerland. 91/92 and half of them automatics. Some of them are priced steeply at first sight but comparing them to the ones in Germany they're quite reasonable as you can get some real garagequeens here. But as Switzerland is not in the EU things are different anyway. :)

Maarten had (has?) a real hard time to find a car in the Netherlands. As you say the cheaper ones are also in bad condition. Here, we export these cars to other countries as noone would buy them. ;) Hard to say but that's true.

I strongly believe that your car is worth the money.

@NSX_Spain: The S in the VIN means that the car was built in Suzuka (2004+) and not in Togichi. Doesn't matter really. The quality of the early cars was best. Make sure you love the color. ;) A yellow NSX is not my taste.

Pre-sale inspection is good, guaranty even better. You'll end up paying a margin over the average in this case but if this is the car you are looking for then go for it. Just make sure you note in the contract that the car never was wrecked or so.

Good luck!

[AR]

Never new NSX came with parking sensors. On the picture of the rear bumper it looks like it has a scuff. Also is the centre console OEM?

[NSX_Spain]

Great feedback again, thanks.

[NSX_Spain]

Never new NSX came with parking sensors. On the picture of the rear bumper it looks like it has a scuff. Also is the centre console OEM?


Many thanks for your help

[NSX_Spain]

Sorry for asking again, but would anyone know what 5S20001 would mean in a VIN or serial number for the European (Honda) version.

Cheers

I figure "5" is for the year of manufacture (2005); "S" is for Suzuka, as all models from approx. mid 2004; but what I can't figure out is what the "200001" could mean, or is this simply a coincidence and these numbers don't mean anything at all?

[NSXGB]

Sorry for asking again, but would anyone know what 5S20001 would mean in a VIN or serial number for the European (Honda) version.

Cheers

I figure "5" is for the year of manufacture (2005); "S" is for Suzuka, as all models from approx. mid 2004; but what I can't figure out is what the "200001" could mean, or is this simply a coincidence and these numbers don't mean anything at all?

I believe the 200001 is just a sequential serial number. I would not be surprised if the 1 means that it is the first one in the country that year but the 2 is maybe just because it went to Spain??

http://www.nsxprime.com/wiki/Decoding_an_NSX_VIN

With regard to the car, I would knock 15,000 off for putting the ugly reversing sensors on. :no:

[NSX_Spain]

Excellent feedback indeed...

[goldnsx]

So you're sure those are aftermarket parking sensors?? what a pity if that is so!

NSXGB is 100% right about the sensors. The NSX never had them as an option, I believe not even in Japan. Real men know how to park a car and don't need pussy-like sensors. :D

Regarding your search there haven't been much changes during the 14 production years. The major one was in 97 with 3.2/6-speed/bigger brakes. The optical update is not what everybody's taste matches.

As for the color it's your decision. I'd never buy a car with a color which is rare just because it might sell better. Magnum-grey is also rare as hardly ever ordered it with this color as most people think it's ugly and disgusting. :laugh:

[JQD84983]

I would venture that different Stereo and parking sensors suggest that an owner has had an after market electronics guy work it over. I have never heard in any forum here or the US that have had a different stereo from the factory than the Bose system we all know and love. :no:

Its your choice but the rear bumper looks rough to me, especially when you are paying top euro for it!

Cheers

John

[NSX_Spain]

All correct, thank you

[goldnsx]

At the end of the day, it is a LHD 2005 manufactured 20,000 kms NSX from a Honda dealership and with original guarantee running to 2010. As rare as it gets in my opinion.

Well, I wouldn't cancel the deal just because of the sensors. But I'd deduct the price of a new upper bumper piece plus painting just to be able to go back.

[m666 edd]

Hi,

Where abouts in Spain do you live if you don't mind me asking?

Just interested as I have relatives that live near Barcelona.

Ed

[AR]

NSX Spain do the Honda dealers speak Spanish only or English as well overthere?

[NSX_Spain]

I am in Madrid,
Cheers:D

yes, English is spoken in many places

[NSX_Spain]

BTW, can anyone think of excellent examples in the UK? I tried contacting the silver 40k one from 2004 with 14k miles, but I think it is a dead end or a scam. Also tried Honda Chiswick (looking for Ivan) but they have not got back to me - they must think I am mad or simply Ivan is no longer such a "cool dude". Ideas? Anyone care to check with them and let me know?

Thanks

[AR]

El bumper delantero no tiene sensores de parqueo, son cubiertas para los tornillos que lo fijan a la defensa de acero.

AFAIK those are just covers on the front bumper, not parking sensors and the bumper looks OEM.

Cheers,

AR

[Kaz-kzukNA1]

Hi, NSX Spain and all.

I normally tend to focus on Technical subject but just want to help you and clarify on some of the questions discussed here.

1. Corner/Parking sensor


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Anyone double-checked the pics from the front bumper please - could this really be an aftermarket parking sensor given the perfect fit and finish?!? maybe that's just the washer for the front lights and there's only sensors at the back?

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/847/1001953h.jpg (http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1001953h.jpg)
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/6008/1001956.jpg (http://img294.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1001956.jpg)

If you are referring to the two round shape cut outs on the front bumper, then they are not for the corner/parking sensor. They are just a cap covering the access holes for the bolts holding the bumper.

It is correct to say that there was no 'Factory fitted' corner/parking sensor on NSX sold to the customer.

However, at very early stage, it was available as an optional equipment and most of the NSX were actually pre-wired for this. As you are looking at the LHD model, the location could be different but you will see gray 3 pin connector at the left side under the bonnet attached to the Front room harness by the blue tape.

At some point, it was removed from the optional parts list.

The corner/parking sensor designed for NSX looks like this. The small tab next to the front fog light (if you have one) and similar tab next to the exhaust tail pipe.
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Breif diagrams attached.
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The sensor on the REAR bumper in your photo could be Honda OEM but it would be from other Honda models or generic one as you can imagine, the sensor head itself is not model specific.

2. VIN
VIN structure is different for country/destination model.
Therefore, it is not easy to say without the full number but you don't want to tell it on here.

'5' stands for 2005 if the NSX you were looking at was built between 2001 to 2005.
'S' stands for Suzuka factory.
'20001' is a sequential number and there will be many NSX with the same number '20001' as the first part of the VIN is different depending on several conditions.

Regards,
Kaz

[Lankstarr]

Many manufacturers factory retro fit parking sensors to cars as options. I'd guess that's what's happened here and you've probably got a Honda Jazz parking sensor kit fitted at a dealership and sprayed an OEM colour - it looks factory if you were fitting them in 2002 but looks ugly now. I'd want a new bumper thrown in for 50k Euros to get rid of them. The car's worth what you're willing to pay, be quick to make a decision as someone else without money as an object will come along and snap it up due to it's rarity.

If you don;t get this ne how long will it take for you to find another?

No regrets baby.

L*

[NSX_Spain]

Wow, thank you so much. I came to the right place before buying the NSX.

Cheers

[AR]

It sounds like a solid car, for me I'll rather buy a good shape earlier car, get an 02 coversion and supercharged it. It would be cheaper and faster.

[NSX_Spain]

Thanks for the tip on the bumper, I'll try to check out the car close up so I'll take more detailed pics.

Cheers

[NSX 2000]

Wow, thank you so much. I came to the right place before buying the NSX.

So, since it is a 05 model I do not have the original parking sensor, available only in the earlier options list, which also means that I don't have front parking sensor at all (just those round covers). The rear sensor, which I do have, is possibly generic Honda OEM or other, not NSX-specific (damn!).

To me the important thing about the VIN is to confirm that it is a 2005-manufactured model, which I think is pretty clear now. Not a major point at all, but simply because if you do get the chance, you'd rather have last year of production (05) than before-last (04).

In any case, I think I'll propose a 45-50k Euros offer see what happens. Current asking price is 58k Euros.

To wrap things up:
All in all, what do y'all think, is it worth giving it a shot? Or be patient and wait for a 2002-03 truly original condition LHD NSX? I like the restyling better.

Cheers

The problem you have is that the NSX was not a big seller in Europe mainly due to brand snobbery, most europeans can't see beyond ferraris or porsches:( I stayed at a posh hotel the other day and left the NSX out front for the valet to park, I then heard the "hotel manger" tell the the valet to park the "ferrari" as quickly as possable before the wedding party arrived:no:

In GB IIRC only 20 2005 cars were sold of which 12 were the end of line specials. I would guess that in Spain may be 5 or 6 are 2005 models. Talking to some european NSX owners last year they said GB had over half of all NSX european production.

In Spain it may have been possable to order parking sensors and different stereo but as others have said it would have been fitted by the supplying dealer before leaving the show room, so would still be covered by Honda Spain warranty. But if I had to guess only the parking sensors would have been fitted by the Honda dealer and the Stero has been done by somebody else. I have satnav/tracker/concierge thing fitted but this was only available in the UK and was fitted by the supplying dealer.

I also have a 2005 model NSX and would say that if this car was RHD and for sale now in the UK it might be up at a dealer for £49,995 but they might have to wait a while for a buyer. So I would say your car in Spain is priced a tiny bit to high and don't be put of by the parking sensors or stereo.

HTH

Paul

[NSX_Spain]

...and you're the lucky owner of one of the last 12. Excellent, thanks for showing up.

[AR]

Are you Spanish by any chance? I think you'll be the third member from Spain on the board.

Cheers,

AR

[NSX_Spain]

Spaniard yes, from Madrid. Are the other two just members or car owners too. Sounds good...

[AR]

Spaniard yes, from Madrid. Are the other two just members or car owners too. Sounds good...

Yes one of them is member Eclipse and the other is Yuri.

Con respecto al carro se ve en buenas condiciones. Como ya sabes el radio original no es muy bueno que digamos. Si de verdad te molestara el Alpine no costara mucho remplazarlo con el Bose.

En fin, buena suerte y espero que todo te salga bien,

Saludos,

AR

[NSX_Spain]

Hola, qué bien escribes, no?

I have seen the name Uri in the Spanish Honda forums, are they both NSX owners??

Cheers

[Unregistered]

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[TheSebringOne]

I think the prices on any latest shape cars with 30K or lower miles will depend on the registration/year and how much lower the mileage are, say 10K - 20K miles. May be a 02, 52, will be around £33-£35K and 04, 54 £35K-£37K and 05, 55 £37 to £40K or more if one of the final 12. It depends on the availability and what the buyer wants to pay & how deseperate the seller wants to sell. UK registration & year is as follows, for example 02 or 52 is from the year 2002 , with 02 being March 2002 and 52 September 2002 as registrations changes twice a year. HTH :)

[Baz]

I hate to post the fact that my 2003 completley stock 2 owner red baby with 24,000 miles on the clock may be up for sale soon if anyone is interested. I am only adding about 2000 miles each year and am finding it hard to justify having it sat in a garage under a cover for most of its life.
PM me for my telephone number here in Suffolk.

Cheers all,

Baz

[Unregistered]

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[DAVEMAT]

There's a yellow one coming to live in Spain very shortly, but I'm keeping it ;)

[Senninha]

Ref your request to contact Ivan at Chiswick ... he left Honda about 18 months ago and is I believe now selling the Toyota brand.

2 late clean cars for sale at present include Baz Red model (ref above) and Papa's LBBP in the for sale section. Both are very clean and fully maintianed examples.

HTH and good luck in your search

regards, Paul

[Unregistered]

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[AR]

James LBB is a nice guy, why not take a fly up and see if you like teh car get it PPI by honda and drive it down?

Cheers,

AR

[Unregistered]

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[Unregistered]

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[simonprelude]

Hello eveyone, I have found a very attractive car. 02 facelift, red, 29k miles, manual. It's on autotrader for 22,500 GBP! Is it too good to be true?? (either a scam or it is already sold?). Has anyone got any info on this car or have you been able to get a hold of the "seller"?

Cheers

ps. called the number, but it keeps ringing and there's no reply

I've done some checks and the car does seem legit, it has also been seen in the area so I'm told, Belfast so you never know.

It's supposed to be a trader and I guess if someone doesn't know about these cars I'd guess the price is probably still higher than book.

[Unregistered]

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[AR]

I would thread carefully, are we sure if it is real is not the Cat D one?

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[simonprelude]

I would thread carefully, are we sure if it is real is not the Cat D one?

James has spoken to the seller this morning and it was a 'total loss' around 3 years ago, so probably CatC. Possibly a car that was stolen and paid out on though with little or no damage??


Category A
A vehicle which should have been totally crushed, including all its spare parts.

Category B
A vehicle from which spare parts may be salvaged, but the bodyshell should have been crushed and the car should never return to the road.

Category C
An extensively damaged vehicle which the insurer has decided not to repair, but which could be repaired and returned to the road.

Category D
A damaged vehicle which the insurer has decided not to repair, but which could be repaired and returned to the road.

Category F
A vehicle damaged by fire, which the insurer has decided not to repair.

Theft
These vehicles have not been recovered and ownership rests with the insurer who made the total loss payment. They are able to repossess the car as soon as it is identified, even if it has been bought innocently.

[Unregistered]

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[AR]

I clearly remember an 02 plus that was crashed in ireland and put back together. This might or might not be the case here.

http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/what-car-q-and-a/what-does-cat-d-mean/217016

[Hagasan]

Thanks for the advice. This is certainly not what I am looking for, but it explains the price.

However, not so sound dishonest but if it was only stolen/recovered and suffered no damage and if the car was exported abroad this "stigma" would not be an issue or easy to a new buyer to trace....

This would all boil down to seller integrity and honesty but financially "could" be a bargain??

[AR]

However, not so sound dishonest but if it was only stolen/recovered and suffered no damage and if the car was exported abroad this "stigma" would not be an issue or easy to a new buyer to trace....

This would all boil down to seller integrity and honesty but financially "could" be a bargain??

Imagine how a thief would treat a stolen NSX???

[Silver Surfer]

Imagine how a thief would treat a stolen NSX???

Like he stole it?!

SS

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[Senninha]

Maybe this is a silly question, but would it be virtually impossible to get a hold of one of the "final 12"? Have you seen any of these being traded in recent years? Many thanks.

Well I dont imagine either Nigels (Pearl) or Pauls (Black) will be on the market anytime soon.

I beleive one of the Silverstone has gone to Hong Kong and the other Black resides on Jersey.

There was a Red for sale under a year ago claiming to be 1 of the 12. So that leaves 7 un-accounted for. Maybe Simon can assist?

regards,

[simonprelude]

There was a Red for sale under a year ago claiming to be 1 of the 12. So that leaves 7 un-accounted for. Maybe Simon can assist?

There's always the yellow one, no idea what happened to that, scrapping would have been a good option but now JB has become F1 WC then I suppose it's worth even more.

I have inadvertently deleted MS Office off my computer so cannot look at the spreadsheet lol.

[Unregistered]

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[Hagasan]

Cheers. In time they'll start leaving the country, as would be the case if I were to find one, and there's now under 12 remaining in the UK. My favourite combination is either black with full red interior or red with full black interior. In any case, it was just a thought as it seems pretty hard to find, and I guess as soon as you turn the key on a 02-05 restyling you will not even remember if it is one of the final 12 or the final 1200.

Patience is key here I guess - I just wish we had a wider market for these cars in Spain, or even in Germany for that matter (LHD), as it would make things much simpler. However, a low mileage, facelift RHD at the current GBP/Euro rate would be a fantastic buy.

Btw, I found out about the costs of importing and changing to Spanish plates:

-A) If bought privately: Price in GBP + Spanish Tax (4%+14%)

-B) If bought from a dealership (company with EU VAT number): Price in GBP - UK VAT (15%) + Spanish VAT (16%) + Spanish Tax (14%)

I need to account for these costs too, which are not negligible, especially at 30-40k GBP. Keeping UK plates would save a lot of money, but I don't think I can keep the UK plates for long, especially being Spanish citizen and resident.

Many thanks for your help

Normally within Europe you only pay the VAT once so I don't think you would pay the Spanish VAT as well as the UK as you are export/importing within Europe? Certainly, if I was to buy something in say Germany, when it arrives in the UK it is already "VAT paid"

I'm fairly sure I'm correct in what I say unless there is some obsure/unfair Spanish taxation?

[TheSebringOne]

Wasn't there a final 12 for sale here by a infrequent member, which was dark silver, may be silverstone with blue interior & very low mileage? Said he had to sell due to poor health or spouse's poor health? It was at least a year/year & half ago?

There was also another similar colour for sale on PH which was suppose to be the final one of the final 12, think it was for sale in scotland? That was a year to two ago?

I think English cars abroad have to change to Spanish plates within a period 6 or 12 months. Apparently the Spanish authorities are clamping down on expats with GB plates.

[DAVEMAT]

I think English cars abroad have to change to Spanish plates within a period 6 or 12 months. Apparently the Spanish authorities are clamping down on expats with GB plates.

Any further info on this, I'm relocating down to Spain shortly and am unaware of any new rules on GB plates, although my mate has just been stung on his DB9 which was on tourist plates.

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[NSX 2000]

Hagasan, "If bought from a dealership (company with EU VAT number): Price in GBP - UK VAT (15%) + Spanish VAT (16%) + Spanish Tax (14%)" this means that you deduct the VAT in the UK and then add the VAT in Spain, i.e. you only pay VAT once, as you say. You could also pay VAT in the UK and then you would not need to add it in Spain, however this is the cleaner method (deduct, then add, as VAT is associated to the country in which the goods will be used - Spain). If bought privately, the VAT has been paid in the UK and the individual is not able to deduct this VAT, therefore you don't need to pay again in Spain (again avoiding double taxation).

There is one small flaw to your plan, UK VAT is not applicable on 2nd hand cars whether bought from a dealer or a private sale. So you want to tell the Spanish Tax man you did pay the VAT in UK either wise you will be paying extra.



Sebring, thanks for the tip, I hope either of these goes up for sale at some point, it's going to be hard though. On the GB plates, I think the law requires a change in plates once you become a Spanish resident (same applies in the UK and in most places I would think), i.e. when you spend over 183 days (6 months) of a fiscal year in Spain. I think this goes for all nationalities, not just British and EU. btw fiscal year in Spain is 1jan-31dec (which makes much more sense than April(n)-April(n+1) to me...).



The reasson for April to April is because it was thought that poor old under paid accounts would be working all over Christmas and New Year and would not get any Holiday, plus we have 3 and Scotland 4 Bank Holidays over the last week in December. Hence April to April. But as a company your fiscal year can be from any date to any date ours is 1st Dec to 30th Nov for example.

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[NSX 2000]

Btw, you have the perfect combination: black with full red interior. 2005? is this 1/12?

No it is a full size NSX:laugh::laugh::laugh:


Sorry bad joke:no: Yes it is one of the famous last 12 cars that Honda UK sold.

[simonprelude]

In any case, I had no idea that there wasn't any VAT on used cars in the UK - thanks for the tip.

Except company cars if the VAT from the original purchase price was reclaimed.

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BTW, has anyone been able to speak to the seller of the 02 red NSX which is on autotrader? Does anyone know what is wrong with this car (it's really cheap)? Cheers.

James posted on anoyher thread that he spoked to him and it was Stolen and Recoved and deemed a total loss.

[Mariscalcus]

The rules may have changed in the intervening years but, as a French resident, UK citizen, I imported a new car on Swedish export plates into France and was permitted to drive it in France for 12 months before having to change the plates to French ones. Similarly when transferred to the UK some years later, I was permitted to drive the same car on French plates in the UK for 12 months. It does, however, vary from country to country. Denmark, for instance, allows only 1 month and will charge import duties based on the assessed value of the car. Since I had owned the car for more than 1 year I did not have to pay any taxes or duties in the UK.

By the way, the peculiar UK tax year frm April 6 to April 5 has nothing to do with caring for our overworked accountants over the Christmas / New Year period. It is an artefact going back to medieval times when the official new year in England commenced on Lady Day, March 25th. In 1752 Engand changed to the Gregorian Calendar to bring England's calendar into line with continental Europe (and Scotland). This involved "losing" 11 days. March 25th became April 6th. At the same time, New Year was changed to January 1 from March 25th/April 6th. However, for reasons beyond comprehension to all but accountants and politicians, England (and then the UK) maintained the new tax year as starting on April 6th.

Anyway, back to NSXs............

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You can buy the car and I'll look after it for a year. :)

[AR]

If all it needed was a bumper and a wing, put in a light, insurers would not have written it off!

[Papalazarou]

cheers

btw, the Irish catD is now up on PHeads too, so definately not a scam. It says it has "only light front corner damage to the car". I think full documentation (pictures of the actual damage-before/after, receipts of the new parts, etc.) and a full Honda inspection prior to sale is a must. In any case, I doubt that's all it's got, and there are no details on servicing either, which is worrying too - it may be damaged but that shouldn't affect servicing.

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1307071.htm (btw, some strange looking 'scars' on the right side of picture 3...)

Condition, history (ideally traceable) mileage, colour, age. not necessarily in that order.

However, as long as the history was traceable from the servicing dealer and it has been repaired well, that's a pretty reasonable price. One other thing, if you want to know how much paint it's had, go down there and polish it, if it comes off red on the rag, you can be 99% sure it's original paint. It only works on LBB and formula red though.

Cheers,


James.

[AR]

that's a pretty reasonable price

It would make sense for someone keeping it for a long time but resale would be difficult.

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[Senninha]

Additionally, are there any NSX-Rs in the UK? Have you seen any yourself?

Great site and great people here - thanks a lot!

Only this one :)

I'm sure you could acquire if you have a £100k budget ;)

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120000 euros back then would have been £70-80k. But not at todays rates. :(

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[NSX 2000]

This NSX-R is amazing, have you seen it yourself? Would it really cost 100k? wow, I am just puzzled because if it were 70k new (according to TopGear), you would think there would be more about in the UK, especially since it is RHD only and it just cost 10k more than the NSX. Maybe just a very limited edition for JayKay, Clarkson, etc. or maybe they got the prices wrong.
Cheers

There is only one and yes we have seen it, and some of us have driven it:)

Due to a lack of interest at the time Honda decided not to import the NSX-R to the UK or europe. They (Honda) brought 2 over in 02/03 and let the european press have a go, (hence why it was on topgear). They sent one back to Japan or Honda R&D in Europe (not sure which) and sold the other (the one in the picture) to a private buyer. That person as we (the club) understand still has the car, but I understand if you made them a good offer they would let the car go.

There has been much debate in the past to how much This NSX-R is worth because it is the only offical UK NSX-R plus nobody to date that I or the club know about has imported a NA2 NSX-R. If you were to import an NA2 NSX-R from Japan into the UK it would cost between £65,000 and £100,000 depending on the condition of the car

HTH

Paul.

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[AR]

There is only one and yes we have seen it, and some of us have driven it:)

Due to a lack of interest at the time Honda decided not to import the NSX-R to the UK or europe. They (Honda) brought 2 over in 02/03 and let the european press have a go, (hence why it was on topgear). They sent one back to Japan or Honda R&D in Europe (not sure which) and sold the other (the one in the picture) to a private buyer. That person as we (the club) understand still has the car, but I understand if you made them a good offer they would let the car go.

There has been much debate in the past to how much This NSX-R is worth because it is the only offical UK NSX-R plus nobody to date that I or the club know about has imported a NA2 NSX-R. If you were to import an NA2 NSX-R from Japan into the UK it would cost between £65,000 and £100,000 depending on the condition of the car

HTH

Paul.

I'll rather have a BBK CTSC 02 plus.

[Papalazarou]

I'll rather have a BBK CTSC 02 plus.

You could definitely have a lot of NSX for that!!


Talking of which, how's your coming on?


Cheers,

James.

[AR]

You could definitely have a lot of NSX for that!!


Talking of which, how's your coming on?


Cheers,

James.

Hi mate still waiting for some bits from SOS...

[TheSebringOne]

The pop up cars were £70K for a coupe up to 2001 or 51 reg( Targa up to £77K). When the non pop up arrived in 2002 or 02 reg, Honda drop prices by £10K across the range!

When the coupe arrived in 1991, it was priced bewteen £52 to £55K I think?

It would be difficult to price since its the only UK supplied 02+ Type R, figures of around £100K have been mentioned, but its a 53 reg or late 2003.

I think Japan is the only country in the world where they were sold commercially and they hold their value very well there as they are revered.

[AR]

they hold their value very well there as they are revered.

We all have tracked them from 9 to 14 million yen depending on mileage.

Add VAT ect and 70k is about fair but I would not have that over say, James car with a CTSC or SOSSC, Recaro PP that would fit my A$$ and R copied bonnet and Wing.

Plenty of change left for training or even a spare car.

If you are after a collector's car then a 1:12 is a better option. :)

Cheers,

AR

[Papalazarou]

We all have tracked them from 9 to 14 million yen depending on mileage.

Add VAT ect and 70k is about fair but I would not have that over say, James car with a CTSC or SOSSC, Recaro PP that would fit my A$$ and R copied bonnet and Wing.

Plenty of change left for training or even a spare car.

If you are after a collector's car then a 1:12 is a better option. :)

Cheers,

AR

Stop it Ary!! I'm not keeping it and buying a supercharger!!!!.........tempting though.




Cheers,

James.

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BBK = big brake kit
CTSC = comp tech super charger
SOSSC = science of speed super charger

HTH. . . Lol. :-)

[mutley]

Stop it Ary!! I'm not keeping it and buying a supercharger!!!!.........tempting though.

Cheers,

James.

OH GO ON.......................... you know you want to !!!

Jim

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[Baz]

Hi,

I assume you have spotted that my low mileage completely standard '03 car is back on the market.

Cheers,

Baz

[Papalazarou]

However, better brakes are always welcome and maybe an aftermarket exhaust if you're looking for a particular note, but neither are necessary IMO

For years I listened to some of the long term NSX owners telling me how bad the standard brake set-up was and how I should upgrade. So after over 4 years and two NSX's with standard brakes I bought some aftermarket disks, pads and braided hoses, and could not believe the difference.

IMO the standard brakes are shocking and whichever car you buy, that should be your first concern. the second thing you should do, if you do any night driving is get some HID's If you think the oem brakes suck, wait till you try the lights!

Apart from that it's an awesome car in practically every respect.


Cheers,


James

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[Senninha]

Given that you're looking for a keeper then simply pay what you think its worth to you and start enjoying the experience.

Good Luck

[AR]

I know it is top $$$ but I am spending too much time on this.

Cheers

As Pauls says just buy it if you want it as I doubt it would get that much cheaper. But still pidele una rebaja!

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Sounds good...

Obviously check the quality of the paintwork around the repair zone, for colour match, flatness, overspray etc.
depending upon how accomodating the dealer is, ask them to remove the plastic wheel liner to see any damage from behind....this may indicate how well the repair has been done. Maybe it had a new fender??

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[m666 edd]

You're definitely not being too picky. If you want a car in 'as new' condition and one of the last made and you're talking that kind of money you deserve to get what you want.

[rsevo6]

The most disappointing thing is to waste a weekend to find out that the car has two problems with the bodywork. The owner said he hadn't noticed it before (my God!).

How recognisable:angry:
This has happend to me soo many times when searching for special cars!
Sometimes when driving into the street and seeing a car gave me reason to immediatly turn around and go back home, not even speaking to the seller or needing a closer look at the car as already from a distance it was clear the seller had mis-represented the car.

Some people seem to think buyers looking for a special a car will be blinded by it not noticing all that is wrong/doesn't add up. (and in reality, it does happen sometimes when a young guy is soo taken in by a car that he buys it not checking it out well and regretting that for a long time after):no:, have seen it happen and cannot understand it.

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Regarding the bumper....It may well just be misalignment when refitting after fitting the parking sensors?

The bumper and rear valance are both joined together with aluminium "L" pieces. It would be (and is) quite easy when assembling this to not centre the pieces exactly if not paying attention or experienced. This could explain the small misalignment between the bottom front right corner of the bumper and the valance.

The misalignment of the bumper and the rear quarter (fender) again may just be that the aluminium top bar (below the rear lights) was not centre "pushing" the whole assembly slightly to the right which will then cause the rear quarter misalignment...even when bolted up at the wing, the bumper may "bulge" here as it's to far over.

If you've ever removed/refitted these parts you'll understand how this can happen.

So it may just be hasty or inaccurate reassembly rather than anything more sinister. Possibly even laziness afterwards when the misalignment was noticed but no one wanted to remove it all over again to readjust...

The stereo should be easy enough, just get the dealer to supply an replacement OEM AND a new console....

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[AR]

If you want OEM then you should get OEM. For 50K plus they should be kissing your feet, not acting like self centered a$$holes.

In my experience if the seller says they don't have the history with them it means they don't have it full stop. This is lazyness as they can easily get the printouts.

Have you spoken to him man to man as in:

Do you really wan to sell the car?

It sopunds to me they think they are doing you a favour.

Cheers,

Ary

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When they try to use the small transaction angle as an excuse is when my middle finger goes up. If I was you I would say that you want it writing that the car is not crash, for future reference and offer 45K max. Better yet take a briefcase with 45K put on the table. See how quickly he will change his tune!

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Better yet take a briefcase with 45K put on the table. See how quickly he will change his tune!

LOL - that sounds awsome. I would love to be in the room when that happens. :)

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There is a chance they are making that book good for you. There is a chance that they did the service themselves and that they accordingly stamped and signed the book. The console looks OK the bumper still does look misaligned.

Cheers,

AR

[eclipse1501]

Any other feedback would be appreciated, many thanks



There are plenty of NSX available on mainland Spain and the islands right now across all years. I cant help thinking how many tress have died writing the last 13 pages of this thread. IMHO as helpful as they are its also incestous and vain taking reems of advice on value for money from our UK friends on what LHD cars cost on the continent, even more so an NSX, when across a 20 minute radius of my address alone i can quote you a 500% price difference on something as mundane as an identical 4 star accommodation. You must know over here money talks and if you want something well sorted with any type of history you are going to pay -the asking price- not any pub tap room rumour mill cobbled market price. For that matter ive got a 5 bedroom villa in Marbella for sale....any ideas on value? Its about as relevant. There is plenty of infrastructure here in Spain, Honda forums galore and assuming you live somewhere between Santander and Malaga, a lot of very helpful official Honda dealers who are very very quiet right now and who are happy to locate any year NSX your heart desires. The price though....as you must know down here....is entirely down to your own bargaining skills. I was offered 40k euros cash in a carwash last year for my old NSX and more recently a new S2000 and a load of cash to the value of nearer 50K euros. That just comes with the territory. If you are a genuinely serious buyer I cant imagine how you can't find yourself a good car. Once you have that car in your sights there are so many self help guides here and on Prime you really can't go wrong...but one thing is certain...you will pay big for a good one!!!!

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[AR]

Either way it would be nice if you could register on the board and continue to be a member. It would be nice to see some pictures of the car as you pamper it and get it spot on.

Good luck on the negotiations.

Cheers,

Ary

[Papalazarou]

Ary I agree, Unregistered, you really could join in and get a silly forum name like the rest of us;-).

Cheers,


James.

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I do pay to post my opinion here...guess thats me told then, but there are 19 LHD NSX alone for sale between 1991 and 2002 on mobile.eu alone!! Plenty in Spain too.

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To all members of the club, I have been given all the answers that I needed when I first started this thread and I will no longer require your sound advice, so thank you so much, I wouldn't have got this far without your help (thanks in particular to: Ary, NSXGB, m666, rsevo6, Hagasan, Baz, Papalazarou, Senninha, NSX2000, TheSebringOne, simonprelude, Silver Surfer, KzUKNA1, Lankstarr, goldnsx, JQD84983, havoc). Looking forward to enjoying the experience. All the best.

[eclipse1501]

So you missed the yellow 2003 that went in Malaga Honda recently plus others.

Unit sales figures you quote only reflect how little money is being spent on cars.... and has no relationship at all to how many cars are actually out there on forecourts and privately available for sale. There are plenty just as i say.

My point remains that the infrastructure exists here locally in Spain to locate a good NSX but you will usually pay over the odds here for anything, never mind a collectable car.

UK Technical support and advice of course is clearly a bonus before you buy but i do note the initial advice given to you (ie source a LHD Stateside from Ary) you dismissed anyway.....so why bother throwing your teddy out the cot. A very cool head will come in handy when you start looking locally in Spain for a dealership to handle your NSX servicing. Suerte