NSX vs Supra

[Silver Surfer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6E-_gUQD40&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYYhHdFVAAk&feature=related


SS

[forumadmin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5GqAEbPNJU

Hmmmmm

[Silver Surfer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5GqAEbPNJU

Hmmmmm

That's why the B5 RS4 2.7 biturbo is the RS4 of choice as it is quicker and mappable! :D;)
The B7 RS4 4.2 V8 NA is known to produce less power than what manufacture stated.

SS

[NoelWatson]

The B7 RS4 4.2 V8 NA is known to produce less power than what manufacture stated.

SS

Even when it is not clogged up?

http://forums.audiworld.com/showthread.php?t=2746474

[Papalazarou]

Even when it is not clogged up?

http://forums.audiworld.com/showthread.php?t=2746474


http://www.wynns.net/product_files/Exhaust%20Gas%20Recirculation%203%2023379%20%20Hig h%20Pressure%203%2012193%20PIS.pdf

Not very exciting, but it saves me writing a lengthy post. All manufacturuers are having EGR/inlet issues. I get around 3/4 calls a day from the general public regarding running problems, ECL's, poor economy and, pinking etc and most of its down to EGR and direct injection.

Cheers,


James.

[lotusolly]

My employers brought a fleet of 6 Mercedez vito vans in November 08.
All are now between 50k and 65k miles. All have had the EGR valve replaced, 4 of them twice and one has just had its third!

Olly

[NoelWatson]

http://www.wynns.net/product_files/Exhaust%20Gas%20Recirculation%203%2023379%20%20Hig h%20Pressure%203%2012193%20PIS.pdf

Not very exciting, but it saves me writing a lengthy post. All manufacturuers are having EGR/inlet issues. I get around 3/4 calls a day from the general public regarding running problems, ECL's, poor economy and, pinking etc and most of its down to EGR and direct injection.

Cheers,


James.


But I still reckon the R8/S4 put out claimed power when in good nick. I will take our 20k 330i on the dyno to see how it is faring at some point.

[Sudesh]

Thats interesting on the Supra vs NSX! I have owned 3 TT Supras and always wondered if they were quicker, I actually though they would have been given the BHP figures but obviously the power to weight ratio is one of the factors for the NSX. I actually have a 2001 Facelift VVTi Tiptronic Supara Just arrived Today from Japan, One of the very last cars.

Heres a few pics:

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j77/icongroup/2001SUPRA/2001Supra.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j77/icongroup/2001SUPRA/2001Supra1.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j77/icongroup/2001SUPRA/2001Supra2.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j77/icongroup/2001SUPRA/2001Supra3.jpg

[mutley]

Nice car, but the wood dash kills the interior. I had an old supra ( last of the pop up ones) 3.0L turbro. I really liked that interior.

Jim

[NoelWatson]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5GqAEbPNJU

Hmmmmm

Hmm indeed. I'm mildly suspicious.

[NoelWatson]

Thats interesting on the Supra vs NSX! I have owned 3 TT Supras and always wondered if they were quicker, I actually though they would have been given the BHP figures but obviously the power to weight ratio is one of the factors for the NSX. I actually have a 2001 Facelift VVTi Tiptronic Supara Just arrived Today from Japan, One of the very last cars.

Heres a few pics:

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j77/icongroup/2001SUPRA/2001Supra.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j77/icongroup/2001SUPRA/2001Supra1.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j77/icongroup/2001SUPRA/2001Supra2.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j77/icongroup/2001SUPRA/2001Supra3.jpg

There was a Supra at Vmax and the NSX was ahead by a few mph

[markc]

That's why the B5 RS4 2.7 biturbo is the RS4 of choice as it is quicker and mappable! :D;)

But if you do that they do tend to lunch engines regularly. A friend of mine had one that had £9K of engine work done after it broke the timing chain. 18mths later it did it again! OK the car had been breathed on in the turbos and mapping department but obviously it was too much for the engine to stay reliable.

I was offered the dead car for £2K but had no room at the time. Same, would have made a good project :)


The B7 RS4 4.2 V8 NA is known to produce less power than what manufacture stated.


Even when it is not clogged up?

http://forums.audiworld.com/showthread.php?t=2746474

It does seem they vary a bit but most are close to stated power when factory fresh. In fact a few have been dyno'd and shown more ponies than expected.

The boys at the Rototest factory do their own tests and have bolted a nearly new and a 27K (Km) RS4 to their kit and the older one had lost, or never had, 17whp. Interestingly a 15k (Km) old R8 made 26whp more than the nearly new RS4!

Rototest linky here... http://www.rri.se/index.php?DN=29&List=A-B

Cheers

Mark

[Sudesh]

Nice car, but the wood dash kills the interior. I had an old supra ( last of the pop up ones) 3.0L turbro. I really liked that interior.

Jim

That is actually an expensive optional extra in Japan. Basically the car I have is pretty much top of the heap, as factory fitted leather, Nav/TV/DVD and toyota kit is all extra.

[forumadmin]

But if you do that they do tend to lunch engines regularly. A friend of mine had one that had £9K of engine work done after it broke the timing chain. 18mths later it did it again! OK the car had been breathed on in the turbos and mapping department but obviously it was too much for the engine to stay reliable.



I've bought mine with a year's warranty that covers everything, and roadside assistance. Funny as I have never bought a Honda with a warranty before, or worried about it!

Though if I look at the Honda CRV forums, there are loads of people with various problems, just like looking through Audi forums. Maybe it is an impression that NSXs have less problems due to smaller numbers? Also our cars usually aren't daily drivers, and probably treated with more sympathy than the average Audi?

[NSX 2000]

Thats interesting on the Supra vs NSX! I have owned 3 TT Supras and always wondered if they were quicker, I actually though they would have been given the BHP figures but obviously the power to weight ratio is one of the factors for the NSX. I actually have a 2001 Facelift VVTi Tiptronic Supara Just arrived Today from Japan, One of the very last cars.



Hi Sudesh

If you want to find out which is faster I'll come over and drive yourNSX for you and you can drive the Supra :D

I'm sure we could have hours of fun putting down some rubber :laugh:

[Sudesh]

Hi Sudesh

If you want to find out which is faster I'll come over and drive yourNSX for you and you can drive the Supra :D

I'm sure we could have hours of fun putting down some rubber :laugh:

My NSX would have a really unfair advantage as its close to NSX-R weight and the Supra is just standard with no HP mods. So maybe you should bring the 1 of 12 over lol! Black against black, that would be a some sight. Know a nice little track too outside Belfast.

[markc]

Hi Sudesh

If you want to find out which is faster I'll come over and drive yourNSX for you and you can drive the Supra :D

Drag racing like that is pretty pointless IMHO, the result is often determined by the launch. Put the cars on circuit for a proper test :)


My NSX would have a really unfair advantage as its close to NSX-R weight and the Supra is just standard with no HP mods. So maybe you should bring the 1 of 12 over lol! Black against black, that would be a some sight. Know a nice little track too outside Belfast.

Your Supra is an auto which isn't fair on it either.

Cheers

Mark

[Sudesh]

:)

Your Supra is an auto which isn't fair on it either.

Cheers

Mark

Thats true, but its not the same auto setup as the pre-facelift cars and has a paddle shift style change on the steering wheel , so you can can control the gear changes.

[Dragonlady]

Our previous car was a Supra auto, and believe me it would hang on to the red line in every gear and change faster than I ever could with a manual. It's one hell of an auto box if you boot it!

Ian

[markc]

Thats true, but its not the same auto setup as the pre-facelift cars and has a paddle shift style change on the steering wheel , so you can can control the gear changes.


Our previous car was a Supra auto, and believe me it would hang on to the red line in every gear and change faster than I ever could with a manual. It's one hell of an auto box if you boot it!

Ian

Even so an old slushmatic (torque converter) style transmission will absorb more power than a manual transmission so it'll be slower overall. On the plus side you'll get consistent launches. On a circuit the auto will be significant handicap.

Cheers

Mark

[Dragonlady]

If you want to do circuit driving you always have the option of MANU mode. That way you know it won't kick down a gear halfway around a corner.

[NoelWatson]

Even so an old slushmatic (torque converter) style transmission will absorb more power than a manual transmission so it'll be slower overall. On the plus side you'll get consistent launches. On a circuit the auto will be significant handicap.

Cheers

Mark

Wasn't the Auto 4 speed?

[Dragonlady]

Yes it was, three speed with an overdrive. Very good box overall.

[markc]

If you want to do circuit driving you always have the option of MANU mode. That way you know it won't kick down a gear halfway around a corner.

But it might, almost certainly will, change up mid corner which can also upset the balance and cause a "moment"?
Down changes also tend to be if and when the auto decides they're safe rather than exactly when the driver selects them.

I'm not saying it's not a good auto 'box just that an auto 'box is not suited to circuit driving.

Even some of the lastest dual clutch robot'ised gearboxes (and I don't mean true sequential manual gearboxes) decide if it's "safe" to down change robing the driver of that ultimate control over the cars attitude. Personally I wouldn't want to use anything other than a full manual 'box on a circuit.

Cheers

Mark

[dan the man]

is the B7 direct injection?

thus the intakes dont get cleaned with fuel..... bit of an oversight Audi.....