Comptech Supercharge fitted! (pictures heavy!)

[DixcelBrake]

We are proud to announce we have successfully fitted the CTSC kit to one of our customer's car.

Silver Surfer have asked if we can get his NSX charged back in December 2009, he came down to our shop and check out what we could possibly done to his car and got the CTSC kit ordered.

CT-engineering originally quoted us 4 weeks for the kits to gets here but due to the delay caused by the snow all over the world, it ended up took them 8 weeks to get the kit to us.

So anyway to cut the story short here is the whole process -

First we got the car up to check the overall condition, we performed a leakdown test, injectors check up and cleaning and general check up to make sure the engine is still in good condition to take up the extra power -

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He also asked if we can get his clutch done at the same time with upgrade Jun lightweight flywheel -

Gearbox out -
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old clutch -
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new clutch -

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[DixcelBrake]

Flywheel in -

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Mid pressure plate -

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Done -

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Now is the interesting bits -

The Kit -

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[DixcelBrake]

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[DixcelBrake]

First step - stripping all the old wiring, vacuum and the intake manifold

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Intake manifold -

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Building up the supercharger -

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[DixcelBrake]

New intake manifold and fuel rail in :cool:

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Supercharge in -

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New plugs -

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[DixcelBrake]

New alternator and pulley bracket -

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New belt in position -

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New alternator -

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Beautiful fit -

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[DixcelBrake]

Now need to sort out the wiring -

New Fuel relay module and rewiring -

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New piggy back pre program unit -

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Sorting out some new wiring -

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Done - car started straight away with no leak of fuel or any other problem -

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Have to say this is a very high quality well built kit, the whole fitting process took us less than 2 days (fitting the clutch actually took longer).

We are putting the car on the dyno tomorrow to adjust the fuel regulator for the best A/F and will keep you guys update with the result!

[AR]

Is that a Red FMU as in Hi Boost?

I did it differently, took a couple of hours to change gearbox, engine oil and plugs, then one day to fit it.

Might as well get rid of the TCS now as it will only play up.

Well done,

AR

[Silver Surfer]

Is that a Red FMU as in Hi Boost?



AR

I hope not as I only wanted low boost with stock internals as I do want longevity and reliability...;)

SS

[AR]

Maybe CT is sending out recalibrated units.

[AR]

PS I highly recommed a new fuel filter and a fuel pressure gauge, no fuel = BIG BANG!

[DixcelBrake]

I don't really understand what you mean?

The Fuel Pressure Regulators have been red for a long time. *The color does not have anything to do with the internal parts of any regulator. *They're all red.

So there is nothing "hi-boost" about the kit you have.

Dixon

[DixcelBrake]

PS I highly recommed a new fuel filter and a fuel pressure gauge, no fuel = BIG BANG!

will check out the a/f tomorrow when it's on the dyno. You can tell when the fuel when it's not going in properly, if so we will get him a new fuel filter

Dixon

[Silver Surfer]

Thanks Ary.

Do you have a picture of your dash with all the extra gauges as I am not sure where to put then without looking to 'Chav'.
What other gauges do you recommend? I was initially thinking an audio or light warning as I am not sure I'll be looking at the gauges whilst I am pushing it.

SS

[DixcelBrake]

I can set you up a Defi Fuel pressure gauge and also oil temp and pressure gauge, but you don't really need those if you are only using the car on the road.

All Defi gague comes with warning light and a very annoying 'Beep' at warning so you won't need to look into it.

Or you can have a similar gauge setup like we have done on Mo's car, you can check it out on his when I see you this weekend.

Dixon

[AR]

I don't really understand what you mean?

The Fuel Pressure Regulators have been red for a long time. *The color does not have anything to do with the internal parts of any regulator. *They're all red.

So there is nothing "hi-boost" about the kit you have.

Dixon


They are not all red, for years CT used the Blue Vortech FMU for low boost and the red for Hi Boost.

[AR]

Thanks Ary.

Do you have a picture of your dash with all the extra gauges as I am not sure where to put then without looking to 'Chav'.
What other gauges do you recommend? I was initially thinking an audio or light warning as I am not sure I'll be looking at the gauges whilst I am pushing it.

SS

I have a fuel pressure gauge on top of my fuel filter, I also have an AFR and Data logger in my centre console. Will post some pictures in another thread or PM me you e-mail.

[AR]

will check out the a/f tomorrow when it's on the dyno. You can tell when the fuel when it's not going in properly, if so we will get him a new fuel filter

Dixon

When was the last time his fuel filter was changed? Since the CTSC takes the feed from there. It makes A LOT of sense to get a new fuel filter in place. I hope you changed the washers ( new ones with a fuel filter ) to avoid leakeage.

C'mon guys is only like £15.00 for a bloody filter and not really any extra labour.

[DixcelBrake]

They are not all red, for years CT used the Blue Vortech FMU for low boost and the red for Hi Boost.

Wow you must be on this forum for long :cool: Yes it used to be blue but it was like 10 years ago.

Now they are all in Red and preset by CT before they ship it out.

Dixon

[DixcelBrake]

We will ask the owner when was he last changed the filter, you only need to change them every 60000 miles anyway and his car just passed that.

[amo]

be nice to know the power you be pushing out so i can compair dyno sheets

thx amo

[DixcelBrake]

Will go on Dyno this afternoon, we are using Dyno dynamic so the power might read lower than the other dyno you use.

Got fuel filter this morning from Honda, just dropped it in!

Dixon

[AR]

We will ask the owner when was he last changed the filter, you only need to change them every 60000 miles anyway and his car just passed that.

£ 15 pounds and no labour, is a given.

[DixcelBrake]

Got him one now and fitted already with all new washer. Going on dyno at 4pm today will let you guys know the result

Dixon

[AR]

Got him one now and fitted already with all new washer. Going on dyno at 4pm today will let you guys know the result

Dixon

For the price is always safe to get the filter done at the same time.

[DixcelBrake]

We actually found the Japanese car fuel filter is pretty good quality, in the pass 8 years, I have done countless of races and work on countless of cars. We have never ever seen a car have problem with old fuel filter even with high power output.

Most common is standard high mileage Evo, we have done loads of this with just remap, changing exhaust, intake, turbo and other mods, pushing 450-500bhp on a high mileage engine and never had a problem with fuel filters. Also loads of other high power Honda and Nissan GTR...etc.

On my own race car running the same fuel filter for the pass 6 years and we have never change it and we win quite alot of races with it.

On this Supercharge NSX, we are only getting 100bhp more power which is a walk in the park for a 3 litre engine and only probably using 40% more fuel than stock map, I believe even fuel filter is the last thing we need to worry about.

Anyway we got a new one in now, going to see the car on the dyno right now. Will keep you update

Dixon

[Senninha]

Hi Kare,

I take it you have serviced/uprated brakes tyres chassis to get the most from the new ponies?

I look forward to another b2b ride out and well done!

regards,

Paul

[DixcelBrake]

Fuel pump problem caused it run little bit lean today but walbro 255 pump is on it's way from America now! Should be done soon, will keep update!

Dixon

[AR]

Fuel pump problem caused it run little bit lean today but walbro 255 pump is on it's way from America now! Should be done soon, will keep update!

Dixon

How lean?

A good idea since you are already there is to inspect and if needed change the fuel line that goes from the tank to the filter.

How lean was it?

Starting fuel pressure?

Any AFR plots?

[amo]

any news on what the dyno was can you put a sheet up to view

thx amo

[DixcelBrake]

It was holding at 13.5-1 from 4000 rpm until 7500, we stopped it there as we didn't want to Hurt the engine, From 2000-3500 was good spot on at 12 tho. We
have even adjusted the FPR and made no different after speaking to CT we are pretty sure the fuel pump is abit tired.

It pulls 360bhp at 7000rpm tho so when we sort out the fueling we should see good 380-400bhp mark.

[Silver Surfer]

Hi Kare,

I take it you have serviced/uprated brakes tyres chassis to get the most from the new ponies?

I look forward to another b2b ride out and well done!

regards,

Paul

Hi Paul,

Ive have now got braided lines and new racing brake fluids. I've been told the brake calipers are OK and I've a set of Mugen Disks which will go on once the current drilled and grooved set starts to wear out.
I am going to change the pads first to see if this will improve the feel with the above adjustments.

My Falken 452's still have loads of tread left.....

SS

[markc]

Top work chaps, I'm very jealous :)

Cheers

Mark

[amo]

did you uprate the fuel reg ?

injectors cleaned out could do with bigger ones mmmmmmm

thx amo

[DixcelBrake]

Yes is a comptech fuel regulator. Lets wait for the Walbro!

[AR]

It pulls 360bhp at 7000rpm tho so when we sort out the fueling we should see good 380-400bhp mark.

With headers and exhaust at 6 PSI you will see around 380 to 390 on a 3.0 don't go too lean for the sake of power.

[Silver Surfer]

With headers and exhaust at 6 PSI you will see around 380 to 390 on a 3.0 don't go too lean for the sake of power.

Still got the Larini sitting in the garage....The headers are the 97+ headers, it already has the test pipes instead of the Cat. Procar airbox and scoop.

SS

[DixcelBrake]

You should bring that down and fit it in the car before we put it on the dyno again, A/F ratio might change a little with different exhaust as it gives different back pressure.

Dixon

[NSXGB]

Still got the Larini sitting in the garage....The headers are the 97+ headers, it already has the test pipes instead of the Cat. Procar airbox and scoop.

SS


You should bring that down and fit it in the car before we put it on the dyno again, A/F ratio might change a little with different exhaust as it gives different back pressure.

Dixon

Going to be loud...:)

[markc]

Going to be loud...:)

You might be better to put the cats back on with the Larini exhaust. A free flowing back box on stock cats will make better power than the standard back box on text pipes.

Cheers

Mark

[AR]

Still got the Larini sitting in the garage....The headers are the 97+ headers, it already has the test pipes instead of the Cat. Procar airbox and scoop.

SS

Gruppe M or Ary V1 as in Mutleys is the way to go for exhaust. :) Made for SC cars so it will not blow out the baffles. larini did not listen to me when building the exhaust from my NA1R mule and...

As far as the box most people have had really good results with the OEm and the UNI filter. I am back to the paper one as the other ones let too much crap in, is not like you need an extra 3BHP with an SC. :)

The 97 headers are almost as good as aftermarket only hur by the scavenging effect, but then again with FI is not like you would hurt for a couple of BHP.

I hope you enjoy it as much as I do mine and remember to get the AFR gauge ASAP as you never know when anything might happen and next thing you know is like CILIT BANG and the engine is GONE. LOL

[Silver Surfer]

Should I:
The procar scoop and airbox do look good.....how much crap does it really let through or is it theoretical? Is this a real concern or should I just run it and see?

Also

1. Put the cats back on and put the Larini back box on... or
2. Leave the test pipes on and leave the OEM back box on...or
3. Leave the test pipes on and put the Larini BB on...or
4. Put the Cats back on with the OEM BB.?

SS :think:

AFR gauge it is then!!

[AR]

Should I:
The procar scoop and airbox do look good.....how much crap does it really let through or is it theoretical? Is this a real concern or should I just run it and see?

Also

1. Put the cats back on and put the Larini back box on... or
2. Leave the test pipes on and leave the OEM back box on...or
3. Leave the test pipes on and put the Larini BB on...or
4. Put the Cats back on with the OEM BB.?

SS :think:

AFR gauge it is then!!

Option 3 would be the best if you find the noise levels acceptable.

Procar Scoop OEM Box and filter is what I would go for. I am sure you can get good £££ for the Procar box from any of the NA bretheren. You'll be amase how much more fuel you'll go through. ( Where is the evil Smiley! )

[markc]

Should I:
The procar scoop and airbox do look good.....how much crap does it really let through or is it theoretical? Is this a real concern or should I just run it and see?

I think AR meant the non panel style paper filters e.g. K&N, Pipercross etc, let more crap in. The airbox and scoop shouldn't be a problem in this respect.


Also

1. Put the cats back on and put the Larini back box on... or
2. Leave the test pipes on and leave the OEM back box on...or
3. Leave the test pipes on and put the Larini BB on...or
4. Put the Cats back on with the OEM BB.?

SS :think:


As AR says option 3 if you don't find it too noisy. My preference would probably be 1, 3, 2, 4


AFR gauge it is then!!

As you're only really concerned about running too weak (lean), if you hook up a warning lamp rather than a guage you won't have to accommodate the bulk of an aftermarket gauge.

Cheers

Mark

[markc]

SS/AR, on a differant note how have your insurers reacted?

Did your existing insurers agreed to cover you, with an additional premium no doubt, or have you had to go elsewhere? If so where?

Cheers

Mark

[TheSebringOne]

Guys, without being an expert on FI/SC etc, are these modifications adding about 100 more bhp over stock NA 3.2 ? Is more possible but then you are putting more stress on the S/C system and engine? Is 150 more bhp achievable and safe?

[NSXGB]

Guys, without being an expert on FI/SC etc, are these modifications adding about 100 more bhp over stock NA 3.2 ? Is more possible but then you are putting more stress on the S/C system and engine? Is 150 more bhp achievable and safe?

Almost anything is possible if you have the money. Simple physics....ask more of something, it won't last as long.

100 hp is achieved with fairly low boost (7-8lbs?) so not too bad at all.

An example from my cosworth days: It was reckoned that a standard 205bhp cosworth engine was good for 130k miles (runs about 7lbs boost). Phase 1 chipped to 270 bhp (about 15 lbs boost) would reduce the expected engine life to 80k miles.

[amo]

Guys, without being an expert on FI/SC etc, are these modifications adding about 100 more bhp over stock NA 3.2 ? Is more possible but then you are putting more stress on the S/C system and engine? Is 150 more bhp achievable and safe?

mmmmmmmm 100bhp extra no prob been runnin on 400 for 2 years and i hit the limiter a few times limiter is set to 8400. 150 mmmm i would not want to chance it id take it to 125 extra but thats it build your engine then your talkin 600 no worries

thx amo

[Silver Surfer]

SS/AR, on a differant note how have your insurers reacted?

Did your existing insurers agreed to cover you, with an additional premium no doubt, or have you had to go elsewhere? If so where?

Cheers

Mark

Additional premium..Adrian Flux

[markc]

Additional premium..Adrian Flux

Did they need details of the mod or some sort of engineers report? What was the loading, 10% 30% 50%???

Cheers

Mark

[NSXGB]

Did they need details of the mod or some sort of engineers report? What was the loading, 10% 30% 50%???

Cheers

Mark

Mark, maybe SS means he had to buy a whole additional premium...:eek:

[Silver Surfer]

As you're only really concerned about running too weak (lean), if you hook up a warning lamp rather than a guage you won't have to accommodate the bulk of an aftermarket gauge.

Cheers

Mark

For monitoring AFR, ...Do any of you guys know of any aftermarket warning lamp/siren which comes without the gauge as I am not sure I am happy with the look of a stand alone gauge on the OEM look....plus when I am driving hard, the gauge is usually less likely to be looked at whereas a warning lamp/siren/buzzer which catches your attention would be more effective for me?

SS

[rsevo6]

Don't think something like that exists as to let this functon, several data would have to be compared at the same time by the unit like:
-engine load
-rpm
-A/F
Only when putting these all together and comparing these data real time, a warning signal could be calculated.
There are however engine computers that measure A/F together with lots of other data and can datalog. When reading this out, you could see afterwards why your engine blew up :rolleyes::):)

A/F units can be had with round gauges (with a sliding scale and/or digital readout, but also with small square digital readout display if you feel this to look better in your interior.

[rsevo6]

Just kidding, in last message described manner with datalogging, you could possibly see a dangerous situation before engine damage occurs, but you would have to check regularly.
I prefer to have a gauge so during accelleration I can have a quick look how the A/F is.

[NSXGB]

I've not read through it but I'm sure it is capable of monitoring everything you could ever possibly want. It may not be your taste but how about this installed in an OEM Nav Pod?

http://www.scienceofspeed.com/products/engine_performance_products/NSX/HKS_CAMP2/

[Silver Surfer]

Is it a good idea to rig on to the lambda sensor electronically to gauge the AFR from the exhaust?

SS

[DixcelBrake]

Afr gauge won't give you any warning, because when you lift off everytime then the gauge will read lean.

You need a fuel pressure gauge that will give you warning when the fuel pressure is low.

Dixon

[AR]

Really...

What do you call going LEAN if not a Warning???

Yes it goes lean when you lift off, but when you stomp on that gas pedal is nice to know that you are NOT in the DANGER ZONE.

[DixcelBrake]

But what he looking for is a gauge he don't need to look at while driving and give warning sounds and light when something is not right.

I think he don't want warning sound everytime when he lift the throttle?!:laugh:

[NoelWatson]

We need a UK NA2 volunteer/guinea pig. I reckon this would give us an extra 10mph+ at VMax. I have another year to go on the warranty - that is my excuse no to volunteer!!

[AR]

But what he looking for is a gauge he don't need to look at while driving and give warning sounds and light when something is not right.


As they say with great power comes great responsability! Is just a case of every so often looking at the gauge when into the FUN Zone to confirm all is well.

[AR]

We need a UK NA2 volunteer/guinea pig. I reckon this would give us an extra 10mph+ at VMax. I have another year to go on the warranty - that is my excuse no to volunteer!!

Nothing experimental about it, more mental than experimental!

Quite easy to do, in fact one of the harder parts is for those with ham size hands that is, changing the plugs.

[Silver Surfer]

My personal mechanic/electronic engineer will design a LED display with inputs from the 2 Lambda sensors to constantly measure the AFR....so I will sort this out myself. :)

Hopefully car will be ready this week.

SS

[Silver Surfer]

We need a UK NA2 volunteer/guinea pig. I reckon this would give us an extra 10mph+ at VMax. I have another year to go on the warranty - that is my excuse no to volunteer!!

I am up for the next VMax to see how a UK NA1 SC do. ;) Once this SC addition proofs to be robust..I am sure NA2 will follow.

SS

[NSXGB]

Audi RS4 2000 2.7 BiTurbo 420bhp family mover
Mini Cooper S children's daily taxi
MR2 mk1 track machine wannabe....FI heart transplant Successful...long-term prognosis awaited..
Red/Black 91 NSX treasure.....FI :D No more NA


SS, you sure are an FI freak! :)

[Silver Surfer]

Audi RS4 2000 2.7 BiTurbo 420bhp family mover
Mini Cooper S children's daily taxi
MR2 mk1 track machine wannabe....FI heart transplant Successful...long-term prognosis awaited..
Red/Black 91 NSX treasure.....FI :D No more NA


SS, you sure are an FI freak! :)

Addiction to augmentation?...moi?
Just needed to make sure I am up to date in not being shown a pair of exhaust with the new crops of hot hatches! ;)
Even a Megane now comes with 250bhp as standard!

SS

[NSXGB]

Nobody will notice the Megane though. :)


I admire your dedication. :D

[NoelWatson]

Addiction to augmentation?...moi?
Just needed to make sure I am up to date in not being shown a pair of exhaust with the new crops of hot hatches! ;)
Even a Megane now comes with 250bhp as standard!

SS

Our cars will hammer the hot hatches - we were 15-20mph quicker than the Focus RS yesterday.

[Lankstarr]

We need a UK NA2 volunteer/guinea pig. I reckon this would give us an extra 10mph+ at VMax. I have another year to go on the warranty - that is my excuse no to volunteer!!

Great... so the warranty will be just about out when you have it fitted in time for next years vmax! Well volunteered ;o)

[AR]

Great... so the warranty will be just about out when you have it fitted in time for next years vmax! Well volunteered ;o)

Comon Luke just get one and bring some "refreshments" and we'll get it fitted. :)

[Silver Surfer]

Turns out Adrian Flux was not competitive enough and I am still awaiting whether they can better the quote I got from Paul (senninhas') recommendation with

Competition Car Insurance
+44 (0)115 941 5255CCI quoted with max 5yrs NCB consideration and £1000 excess, 5K miles/year, 3pts for SP30, Supercharger and 380bhp ;), £20K value.....................£458
Includes 5 trackdays cover!

Previous NA NSX cover from AF was £380 Classic cover....had 4 months to go before renewal.

SS



SS/AR, on a differant note how have your insurers reacted?

Did your existing insurers agreed to cover you, with an additional premium no doubt, or have you had to go elsewhere? If so where?

Cheers

Mark

[mutley]

I have been following this thread relatively closely, as the SC route is something I have been considering for a little while.

So far it's looking pretty good to me.

Do you have the full cost of this work (the all-in price)?

Jim

[AR]

Powers that be rather than clutter Dixcel Brakes thread can we have our own Forced Induction section as in NSX Prime?

Jim SC is a great option but as soon as I find out if Amo's low comp built goes well I will be doing a low comp built and going Turbo, so there might be a nice used one in the future.

Cheers,

AR

[Silver Surfer]

http://www.letstorquebhp.com/calculator.asp

Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 400
Weight without Driver (KG) : 1300
Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 312.63
0 - 60 (Secs) : 3.98
0 - 100 (Secs) : 8.85
60 - 100 (Secs) : 4.87
Quarter Mile (Secs) : 12.18
Terminal Speed (MPH) : 117.30
Drag Strip Quarter Mile (Secs) : 12.08
Drag Strip Terminal Speed (MPH) : 118.65



SS :D

[rsevo6]

I've not read through it but I'm sure it is capable of monitoring everything you could ever possibly want. It may not be your taste but how about this installed in an OEM Nav Pod?

http://www.scienceofspeed.com/products/engine_performance_products/NSX/HKS_CAMP2/

Exactly my point made earlier.
This unit can display lots of sensor readings and can make an alarm if some limit is exceeded (I have a similar unit in one of my cars).
However with A/F this is of no use as it goes from rich to lean all the time. It is depending on engine load and revs (even intake temps influence things) when a certain A/F number is dangerous or not, so different data have to be compared at the same time and calculated to be able to make an alarm on A/F.
And this CANNOT be done by any unit that I know of.....

[mutley]

Powers that be rather than clutter Dixcel Brakes thread can we have our own Forced Induction section as in NSX Prime?

Jim SC is a great option but as soon as I find out if Amo's low comp built goes well I will be doing a low comp built and going Turbo, so there might be a nice used one in the future.

Cheers,

AR

NIce one Ary, keep me posted.................. you are doing your best to turn my car into your old one aren't you!!

[DixcelBrake]

Finally got the new pump and regulator from CT now, got everything done today and we setup the top end a little bit rich to cool down the cylinder before shifting up.

Here is the result -

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v622/proracerimports/Scan_20100317173023.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v622/proracerimports/Scan_20100317173201.jpg

Dixon

[Silver Surfer]

35bhp short ! :(

SS

[markc]

35bhp short ! :(

SS

Very nice curves though SS, not you the engine ;)

I'm surprised it keeps making more power right up to the limiter. That's going to feel really nice to drive.

Dixel do you do finance :)

Cheers

Mark

[AR]

Are you running OEM manifolds SS?

What exhaust are you running?

Dixon is there an AFR graph for the dyno?

Cheers,

AR

[DixcelBrake]

Yes he have oem manifold

the first graph have arf line at the bottom.

Dixon

[TheSebringOne]

SS, great news! Are those extra 35 ponies safe to extract from your new set up?

[Silver Surfer]

Running 3.2 manifolds and test pipes with Larini.

Isn't the AFR the lower falling away curve on the 1st graph?

SS


Are you running OEM manifolds SS?

What exhaust are you running?

Dixon is there an AFR graph for the dyno?

Cheers,

AR

Oops, beaten by Dixon.

[DixcelBrake]

Yes that's the graph you can see the a/f drop to 11.5-1 near the top
end, by dumping a little bit more fuel before you shift up can help cool down the engine abit.

Before that was 12-1 which is what you need for reliable setup

I will explain to you when i see you tomorrow

dixon

[AR]

I just scanned to the end and missed the AFR!

Whre the AFR with a bung or a sniffer?

[DixcelBrake]

Sniffer, it's a dyno dyanmic so it always use sniffer, but they put it in pretty deep, we always map our race car and customers car with this and the reading is exact same as the aem wideband gauge I have in my car.

Dixon

[DixcelBrake]

turn up your speaker -

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v622/proracerimports/th_IMG_1059.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v622/proracerimports/?action=view&current=IMG_1059.flv)

[markc]

Liking the way the motor losses revs so quickly, I guess that's the lightweight flywheel. Any trouble stopping it stalling?

Not liking the rather deep, bassy nature of the exhaust note so much. Mine (Dali RR) sounds like that at the moment, I need me a "pretzel" style screamer :)

Cheers

Mark

[Silver Surfer]

No problem with stalling on the short blast down the dual carriageway near Dixon's workshop...Psychologically revs quicker...The Clutch now bites and feels normal cf my previous one which bite at the last 1-2 cm of releasing the clutch pedal.
Sound like a Fezza now....;)
Picking up tommorow..:bigsmile:

SS

[markc]

Sound like a Fezza now....;)

Nah, well not a recent V8 or V12 one, not nearly "screamy" enough. It'll go like one though :)

Mark

[NSXGB]

Liking the way the motor losses revs so quickly, I guess that's the lightweight flywheel. Any trouble stopping it stalling?
Cheers

Mark

When just the cats are removed the rise and fall of revs is noticeably quicker too.

[markc]

When just the cats are removed the rise and fall of revs is noticeably quicker too.

Hmmm... might rise a tad quicker if they help make more power but won't fall quicker. The latter is almost all down to reciprocating momentum.

Mark

[AR]

Car needs a GruppeM or AR Exhaust, as Mark says too much bass/resonance IMHO, but if you are happy SS is all that counts.

I love embarassing Lambos in a tunnel. :)

[markc]

Car needs a GruppeM or AR Exhaust...

... or even better a GT Rom 5.1/Bel Canto. Might have to give up a couple of HP over the GruppeM etc but ohh the sound :)

As AR says, the main thing is that you like it.

Mark

[AR]

... or even better a GT Rom 5.1/Bel Canto. Might have to give up a couple of HP over the GruppeM etc but ohh the sound :)

As AR says, the main thing is that you like it.

Mark


Better, no way, as GruppeM is designed for SC applications. My Exhaust is an improvement over the gruppe M and made in the UK with a lifetime warranty.

The GT 5.1 is just playing with pipes. Bel Canto what a load of cobblers. I urged an ex NSX parts vendors to ask Taita to get some more done. he offered to make them and put anyones name on them. I won't bore you with the wholesale price as teh mark up is insane. There is no such thing as a Bel Canto exhaust more like a Bellendc*nto.

[Silver Surfer]

exhaust more like a Bellendc*nto.

:laugh::laugh:

SS

[markc]

Better, no way, as GruppeM is designed for SC applications. My Exhaust is an improvement over the gruppe M and made in the UK with a lifetime warranty.

GT 5.1 is just playing with pipes. Bel Canto what a load of cobblers. I urged an ex NSX parts vendors to ask Taita to get some more done. he offered to make them and put anyones name on them. I won't bore you with the wholesale price as teh mark up is insane. There is no such thing as a Bel Canto exhaust more like a Bellendc*nto.

Better as in sound to my, and it would seem most who have actually heard them, ears at least.

Sorry chap, what does made for SC applications even mean?

Playing with pipes is what you have to do to get a 90 degree V6 to "scream". The exhaust pulse frequency just doesn't work to produce this high pitched sound so you have to add some extra pulses into the mix by way of tuned length bypasses and resonant chambers.

Nothing wrong with it, whether made in Japan, Taiwan or Nepal or if labelled a GT Rom 5.1, Taitec FN09, Bel Canto or indeed Bellendc*nto, the noise is to die for :)

Cheers

Mark

[TheSebringOne]

SS, just heard how loud your new set up is !! Turned up the laptop to max and felt the sound waves!! I hope you don't live in a quiet neighbourhood!? :D

[Silver Surfer]

SS, just heard how loud your new set up is !! Turned up the laptop to max and felt the sound waves!! I hope you don't live in a quiet neighbourhood!? :D

It is nowhere near as loud as Kevins' or Lukes' when they did the 'loud' setup (theirs was scary loud!!)...I am sure it will still pass the Trackday limit from my 'standing behind' asseement. ;)

SS

[jaytip]

35bhp short ! :(


Having spent that amount of money and coming up 35BHP short would REALLY p!ss me off :angry:

[AR]

Guys low boost is only good for 70 to 80 BHP, as Alexander says: Simple :)

If your cars was near 300 before your'll be close to 380 now etc.

[markc]

Guys low boost is only good for 70 to 80 BHP, as Alexander says: Simple :)

If your cars was near 300 before your'll be close to 380 now etc.

Exactly... and remember it's not just a peak figure, you've got a lot more power everywhere in the rev range. If you overlay the before and after power/torque curves you should find that the car now exceeds the old peak power by about 5.5K revs with power still climbing strongly. The car will feel much more muscular :)

Damn I want one.

Cheers

Mark

[DixcelBrake]

Top end power is not important, have a look to his Torque Curve and you will see the gain is actually on the torque not the top end power. Torque is always more important than top end power as you don't really use them.

No idling problem at all as well with the lightweight flywheel, the rev now climb much quicker and also you get really nice respond from the throttle.

Dixon

[jaytip]

Guys low boost is only good for 70 to 80 BHP, as Alexander says: Simple :)

If your cars was near 300 before your'll be close to 380 now etc.
I was under the impression that Amo's was low boost and he's getting 400 BHP from his.:dunno:

[markc]

I was under the impression that Amo's was low boost and he's getting 400 BHP from his.:dunno:

As I understand it Amo's is a very different type of SC (Basch Boost, Paxton) which is gives a differant power/torque profile i.e. more suited to top end power than mid range.

Remember power and torque have a fixed relationship to each other, the variable component is revs.

I'm lovin' the power and torque curves of this Comptech system and the way it makes power all the way to the limiter :)

Cheers

Mark

[DixcelBrake]

I was under the impression that Amo's was low boost and he's getting 400 BHP from his.:dunno:

His one is only 380bhp but his doesn't have as much torque at the mid range.

Dixon

[modarr]

Dixon,
He's talking about Amo who is a different species from a different country called the 'Norf'

I be Mo. Not 'A Mo' but the Mo.

I'm expecting 450bhp from you, now that you have disrespected my motor and questioned my honour. I'll be sharpening my Samurai sword Dixon!

Mo

[DixcelBrake]

Lol sorry my bad, still fresh on here!

Your should be a monster, I really cannot wait to start to build yours!

Just waiting from SOS for the parts now!

[Silver Surfer]

Dudes....I have taken the first step in the SC NSX world and thought I share my first impression of this pricy outlay.
I have done 60miles of mixed driving today. :D
The most noticable thing in the increase in power is as Markc has indicated, is the increase in Torque as the car seems to accelerate in any gear from 1.5K onwards. This suits me fine being a lazy gear shifter and on the motorway, overtaking in 5th (top gear) from 60+mph is now so much easier without the need to downshift. The acceleration is very linear and the down side is that there is not much noticable VTEC kick!
The noise has also changed expectedly as I am now noticing very little VTEC induction noise and more of the SC whine which I am use to from my other 3 SC/turbo cars. The bark from the Larini exhaust coupled with the SC whine does make it interesting....not quite sure which I like best! Through Dartford tunnel, the sound was fantastico!!! (had my window down and stuck it into 3rd gear!). I will let Paul (Senninha) chip in as I am slightly tone deaf so an alternative opinion would be helpful.
The lightened flywheel does indeed allow the revs to shoot up with the slightest of throttle but drops like stone when I change gears. This meant I need to let the clutch up quicker to catch the revs...( I will need to learn to do Heel-Toe!)
Generally with the incease torque, I am needing to press the throttle pedal less hard and not as long so hopefully it will not do the consumption figures an injustice,,,I will let you know how much mileage I will get out of this full tank in due course.

Conclusion...Am I happy..So far :thumbsup::proud:
I am due to be in NW London way (Near ACE Cafe) next week so be more than happy to meet up with any current owners for them to hear/feel/see the SC in action for themselves so PM me if interested.

Cheers

SS

[Silver Surfer]

Just like to give a big Thankyou to Dixon and his crew.

The whole process has been a pleasure and no trouble from the start to finish. The communication has been good and he is easy to get hold off. The workmanship has been great and he has been very reassuring 'in my venture to the unknown'. :thumbsup:

SS

[AR]

I was under the impression that Amo's was low boost and he's getting 400 BHP from his.:dunno:

As mark said Amo ( not Mo ) has a different type of SC with IC and AEM EMS. He gets more power up top, whereas the positive displacement gets more TQ down low.

[AR]

Better as in sound to my, and it would seem most who have actually heard them, ears at least.

Sorry chap, what does made for SC applications even mean?

Cheers

Mark

Well some or Mr.Taita finest ( Taitec ) havve been known to burn off the wad in no time when used in conjuction with an SC, some have even blown bits of mesh out of the tailpipe and crack.

Hence the reason that CT makes their own exhaust for SC.

Cheers,

AR

[DixcelBrake]

You are welcome Kare. It was a pleasure and now my guys learnt alot more with NSX so thanks for giving us this opportunity.

I missed your car already... please bring her back one day when you get some free time... I miss cleaning her everyday...:laugh:

[Senninha]

............ I will let Paul (Senninha) chip in as I am slightly tone deaf so an alternative opinion would be helpful.
...............
Cheers

SS

I will report in more detail 2mrow after we've been out for a run ;) ...hopefully the roads will be clear and dry(ish) so we can stretch the SC legs.

We will share wth all the real world evaluation as the 3.0SC takes on the 3.2NA :)

regards,

Paul

[Lankstarr]

Surely not much in it between lighter 300hp 3.2 and a 365hp 3.0. I'll be watching with interest to see the results.

It's a big shame we do not have before and after figures for SS's car. Ideally standard, with exhaust etc and then with exhaust etc and SC would be good. We don't know how many horses the SC install has actually unleashed as some 3.0's have a fair few hp less than others.

L*

[DixcelBrake]

Early NSX should be 270bhp when its new but with the engine with that many mileage on you should be looking at around 260bhp with stock exhaust and intake.

For the next one if customer request we can put it on before and after.

Dixon

[AR]

Early NSX should be 270bhp when its new but with the engine with that many mileage on you should be looking at around 260bhp with stock exhaust and intake.

For the next one if customer request we can put it on before and after.

Dixon

Dixon, most well used NSX are punching above their weight. It was 276 stock and quite a few have dynoed over that. I have had two, one an NSX-R that delivered over 295 on a humble dyno.

The intake is just hype, the best one for NA and CTSC is the OEM box and filter.

The main diffrence is the headers and the exhaust good combos can release a lot of what the OEM system was constricting:

http://www.scienceofspeed.com/products/exhaust_airflow_products/NSX/TAITEC/exhaust_headers/default.asp

[AR]

Surely not much in it between lighter 300hp 3.2 and a 365hp 3.0. I'll be watching with interest to see the results.
L*

Yes but what happens when the SC NSX has 380 and weights 2700 lbs?

http://tomtimms.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/drclaw.jpg

[Lankstarr]

Yes but what happens when the SC NSX has 380 and weights 2700 lbs?

http://tomtimms.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/drclaw.jpg

I'd like to find out! S5 pulled very well against other 3.2s and they must have had smilar max out puts. I'll probably end up with a slower car and be forced to chuck a turbo on to keep up with the likes of you!

[AR]

I'd like to find out! S5 pulled very well against other 3.2s and they must have had smilar max out puts. I'll probably end up with a slower car and be forced to chuck a turbo on to keep up with the likes of you!

The Big T, I am hoping to get there soon enough. :)

[NSXGB]

The Big T, I am hoping to get there soon enough. :)

AR, what's made you want to move away from the SC?

[markc]

Dixon, most well used NSX are punching above their weight. It was 276 stock and quite a few have dynoed over that. I have had two, one an NSX-R that delivered over 295 on a humble dyno.

The intake is just hype, the best one for NA and CTSC is the OEM box and filter.

The main diffrence is the headers and the exhaust good combos can release a lot of what the OEM system was constricting:

http://www.scienceofspeed.com/products/exhaust_airflow_products/NSX/TAITEC/exhaust_headers/default.asp

In most markets the 3.0Ltr cars were quoted as producing 270hp as standard.

Our attempt to get a good selection of NSXs on a dyno in the same place at the same time so as to normalise some existing dyno readings saw the standard 3.0Ltr cars making a touch less than less that (average 262hp), possibly due to their age as Dixon says. See table here... http://www.nsxcb.co.uk/index.php?categoryid=26

As AR says both 3.0Ltr and 3.2Ltr cars respond well to having a decent exhaust fitted and the 3.0Ltrs also respond well having their restrictive cast iron exhaust manifolds replaced with tubular ones a.k.a "headers" in Americanese.

SS's car already had "headers" and a better exhaust as well as being de-cat'ed so, if everything else was as it should be, should have been making around 285-290hp prior to having the SC fitted.

Cheers

Mark

[AR]

AR, what's made you want to move away from the SC?

More power really, nearly 380 is great fun but you soon get used to it. Then you want more and since if I want to go high boost reliably I will need to get a the very least an AEM FIC to sort out the fueling. If I am doing that I might as well get a Turbo, since the main reasons I see for a CTSC is that it is a DIY system that does not require mapping. The hardest part is changing the plugs, and that only because my hands are too big. :)

A Turbo is to very simple to install, and the mapping, well I am still waiting to find a reliable mapper close by. Might end up using Amo's mate.

My goal is 450 BHP on a standard engine IC and MEth cooled for the near future.

For now the SC is great and quicker than a R8 V8, but a Big T is Murcielago territory. :)

[TheSebringOne]

Ary, when you go the big T way, are you upgrading your stoppers aswell? In fact what braking system have you in place now? Power is useless without control. :)

[AR]

Stoppers have better pads ATM and is fine for now. I am looking at several different systems after having a system on order only for the company to change price ( local company nothing to do with NSXCB vendors ) on a set of 6 pots.

Also my car is very light.

[Senninha]

More power really, nearly 380 is great fun but you soon get used to it..........My goal is 450 BHP on a standard engine IC and MEth cooled for the near future.

For now the SC is great and quicker than a R8 V8, but a Big T is Murcielago territory. :)

You're becoming obsessed by the numbers Ary ... next you'll be painting it a loud colour and adding NOS ;)

I play with an R8 regularly and am as quick without an SC :) ... diets rule OK!

[AR]

I play with an R8 regularly and am as quick without an SC :) ... diets rule OK! and I ) are on a diet.

Is nice to be as quick, but soo much nicer to be quicker. :)

PS My car is also lighter than stock by a lot.

[markc]

Stoppers have better pads ATM and is fine for now. I am looking at several different systems after having a system on order only for the company to change price ( local company nothing to do with NSXCB vendors ) on a set of 6 pots.

Also my car is very light.

As per Luke's thread on big brakes, the number of pots/piston is somewhat irrelevant. Your biggest challenge is getting sufficiently sized discs in the front wheels.

Kevin went through this with Hi Spec and Rob (Fenn) with AP so they may be able to help with the part number required.

Cheers

Mark

[AR]

As per Luke's thread on big brakes, the number of pots/piston is somewhat irrelevant. Your biggest challenge is getting sufficiently sized discs in the front wheels.

Kevin went through this with Hi Spec and Rob (Fenn) with AP so they may be able to help with the part number required.

Cheers

Mark

Cheers Kev,

If I don't get a full kit I will get a set of AP ones and have the same company that sorted Amo's, get me a set of Bells and Brackets.

[markc]

I will report in more detail 2mrow after we've been out for a run ;) ...hopefully the roads will be clear and dry(ish) so we can stretch the SC legs.

We will share wth all the real world evaluation as the 3.0SC takes on the 3.2NA :)

regards,

Paul

Hey Paul, are you keeping quiet because you got comprehensively blown away or did SS's car go sick before fair comparisons could be made :)

Cheers

Mark

[Silver Surfer]

Hey Paul, are you keeping quiet because you got comprehensively blown away or did SS's car go sick before fair comparisons could be made :)

Cheers

Mark

Hi Mark,
We did have a bit of fun on the roads initially with me following. From my car, I managed to keep up with Paul fairly easily without needing to change from 3rd to 2nd much on the twisties and also only needed to keep the revs generally between 3000-6500. Much of the route was down B roads with lots of bends and therefore unable to make good comparison on overtaking abilities. When I took over as lead for the later part of the run, my TCS and Engine light problems which stopped me from giving it the full beans.
Coupled with my driving skill is probably inferior to Paul...Difficult to compare.
I think if it was on the straights, the SC would probably gradually catch up and overtake rather than blow the NA 3.2 away.
Pauls car is a very healthy NA 3.2 with better condition brakes and suspension than my SC and this will also limit the comparison on this run.

SS

Prior to the SC...Pauls' car will gradually pull away on the straight bits in the past!

[Senninha]

Hi Mark,

As covered elsewhere there is some fine tuning required for the SC install. Having followed and listened to Kare's NSX it did certainly sound as though the TCS was cutting in from time to time. I think investigations ar under way to make the adjustments needed.

When it was running smoothly there was virtually nothing between the two cars. We both took turns to lead/follow as we developed our route. Both reported similar instances of needing to back off as we closed on each other over mixed A&B roads. What we didn't have the option to do was pull side by side comparison or swap cars.

Once all is well we will be out again and complete the evaluation and report back on 3.0SC vs 3.2NA.

Regards, Paul

[markc]

Interesting.

In theory the SC car, with significantly more power throughout the rev range, should run and hide. I guess it shows that +/- 50hp doesn't make that much difference on the public road and why hot hatches are so effective on B roads. That would also explain why your friend with the R8 doesn't disappear over the horizon.

I suspect a descent straight(away) will see the SC power advantage really tell. I look forward to seeing it in the flesh and perhaps even experiencing it from the passenger seat at some point this year :)

Cheers

Mark

[AR]

Hi Mark,

As covered elsewhere there is some fine tuning required for the SC install.
Regards, Paul

Or... :)

There is basically no tuning on a base CTSC other than adjusting the RRFPR

Hence why I got myself an datalogging AFR and burned several gallons of VPower up an down my roads with several resets of the ECU etc on several different fuel pressures and now is all a A1.

Once again I will confirm that flat on the straights the SC or one like mine, will outpace the V8 R8.

I used to like the front of the R8 and the 3/4 from the top. I comented here when it first came out that the paper time figures were not better than my NA1R. After witnessing how the V8R8 perform in the flesh, I could bring myself to own one.

[Senninha]

Interesting.

In theory the SC car, with significantly more power throughout the rev range, should run and hide. I guess it shows that +/- 50hp doesn't make that much difference on the public road and why hot hatches are so effective on B roads. That would also explain why your friend with the R8 doesn't disappear over the horizon.

I suspect a descent straight(away) will see the SC power advantage really tell. I look forward to seeing it in the flesh and perhaps even experiencing it from the passenger seat at some point this year :)

Cheers

Mark

It will be good to get these two out again and find ourselves that decent straight to pull side by side ... or not depending on results.

What it did show on Sunday was what I've often said (and probably sounding like a broken record), that in the real world and on the roads we love to drive, ie challenging A&B roads (coz anyone can go fast in a straight line), it will require at least 100hp+ and a bucket load more torque to put significant daylight between two NSX.

I'm really looking forward to the SC being on song for further 'evaluation' and its a good excuse for another drive out.

And if its a little warmer next time I might just bolt on the 17's and sticky rubber to even things up a bit :)


There is basically no tuning on a base CTSC other than adjusting the RRFPR

Hence why I got myself an datalogging AFR and burned several gallons of VPower up an down my roads with several resets of the ECU etc on several different fuel pressures and now is all a A1.


I've no idea what the RRFPR is but the rest of it sounds like fine tuning to me ;)

regards,

[AR]

I've no idea what the RRFPR is but the rest of it sounds like fine tuning to me ;)

regards,

Paul,

I went a bit NSX Prime on you LOL. It is a raising rate fuel pressure regulator or the big red thing in the pictures.

I guess if that is tuning then I am a fine tuner and NSX specialist...NOT. ( Borat Joke )

Cheers,

AR

[markc]

I went a bit NSX Prime on you LOL. It is a raising rate fuel pressure regulator or the big red thing in the pictures.

Is that the same thing that you also referred to as an FMU in the pics at the start of this thread? What does FMU stand for, maybe Fuel Management Unit? Don't you just hate the American penchant for acronyms :)

It was said earlier that the replacement Comptech unit (FMU/Pressure Regulator) is pre-set, I guess to match the new fuel requirement. Have you fitted a different one from the one supplied with the kit?

Cheers

Mark

[Silver Surfer]

Interesting.

I suspect a descent straight(away) will see the SC power advantage really tell. I look forward to seeing it in the flesh and perhaps even experiencing it from the passenger seat at some point this year :)

Cheers

Mark

PM me your location or contact details and I be more than happy to let you experience it from the passenger and the drivers seat in late spring/early summer. ;):)

SS

[AR]

Is that the same thing that you also referred to as an FMU in the pics at the start of this thread? What does FMU stand for, maybe Fuel Management Unit? Don't you just hate the American penchant for acronyms :)

It was said earlier that the replacement Comptech unit (FMU/Pressure Regulator) is pre-set, I guess to match the new fuel requirement. Have you fitted a different one from the one supplied with the kit?

Cheers

Mark

Mark the rate is preset but you can adjust the initial pressure, hence the usefulness of the fuel pressure gauge. Still dont know how anyone would do it without it, unless by guessing and dynoing.

[markc]

Mark the rate is preset but you can adjust the initial pressure, hence the usefulness of the fuel pressure gauge. Still dont know how anyone would do it without it, unless by guessing and dynoing.

OK. Obviously it's good practice to check the initial pressure is correct and to spec but shouldn't this be preset correctly to match the rest of the kit?

From what you were saying any problems with fuel pressure would manifest themselves at high fuel requirements i.e. high revs and W.O.T, where the raising rate would be increasing the fuel pressure(?), how does setting the initial rate help this?

Cheers

Mark (jealous SC wannabe :))

[Silver Surfer]

Markc,

Your PM box is full!

SS

[markc]

Markc,

Your PM box is full!

SS

Sorted :)

Mark

[AR]

OK. Obviously it's good practice to check the initial pressure is correct and to spec but shouldn't this be preset correctly to match the rest of the kit?

From what you were saying any problems with fuel pressure would manifest themselves at high fuel requirements i.e. high revs and W.O.T, where the raising rate would be increasing the fuel pressure(?), how does setting the initial rate help this?

Cheers

Mark (jealous SC wannabe :))

Mark if we search for this on the FI section of prime is a never ending story. Some people start with xx pressure and they are OK across the board, others end up lean, there are little tricks to get the RRFPR or FMU to get rich quicker and hold it a bit. I think the fuel pump and the injectors have a lot to say in this as well as the car compensating according to your driving style.

[goldnsx]

Just of interest. SoS doesn't have the kit on their website anymore.
Did you get the latest version? The Lysholm unit? The Autorotor was the one before.

[Silver Surfer]

I have the Autorotor kit.....New Autorotor unit replaces Lysholm/Whipple unit, provides 10-15% More Horsepower.
It looks nicer too!!

SS

[AR]

I have the Autorotor kit.....New Autorotor unit replaces Lysholm/Whipple unit, provides 10-15% More Horsepower.
It looks nicer too!!

SS


Here it is:

http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=115094&highlight=engineering

[goldnsx]

AR, thanks for the link, I had this in mind while writting my post and was interested in what blower Silver Surver received in the end of 2009.

Shad wrote in the thread on 12/2008 (#1):
Hi Guys,
I thought I would post a couple pictures of the new CT Supercharger we are in the final stages of testing for them. The kit is going back to the Lysholm brand of charger but the newer design (1600AX) from the original Comptech kits (1600AR). Yes, it is a little smaller than the Autorotor unit but will not have the pinging trouble that some of you have run into. In our testing on a 3.0 liter NSX that had an Autorotor unit at the same boost levels both blowers made the same HP and TQ. We will be testing it on a 3.2 liter very soon. New kits should be shipping early next year and it will have CARB #. Cheers, Shad

and later (#26):
Hi Guys,
Yes, as Joe pointed out the changes/redesign of the Comptech/CT kit over the years has happened because of the supply of blowers. Getting blower from the guys in Sweden (both Lysholm & Autorotor) has been very difficult, just ask Whipple (original Lysholm importer).