Three braking / brake pad questions

[havoc]

I've nearly got my NSX properly sorted now, but I'm still not 100% happy with the car's braking performance, and especially the feedback...it does stop, and it gets better once the car warms up, but there's very little feel through the pedal*. Car will be used entirely / almost entirely on-road, so I'm not after a monster set-up. Car has new fluid, refurb'd calipers all-round, and braided hoses.

So:-
1) Should an NSX out-brake a DC2 ITR, or vice-versa, or should they be about even? I ask as my 'teg (DS2500 front pads, OE rear-pads, OE disks all-round) stops noticeably quicker than my NSX (Mugen front disks, unkn. rear disks, Pr. Mu pads of unknown spec all round).

2) Can someone confirm that the front pads are the same fitment to both the 91-96 NSX and the UKDM DC2? A fair number of places quote the same part #, but I'd like to be sure...

3) For road-use, what's a good pad for feedback and low-dust. I really like the DS2500's, but they're hardly low-dust, and my alloys look pretty good right now, be nice to keep them that way! Shortlist so far is:-
- DS2500
- Dixcel Type-M
- OE (are they good enough?!?)
- OE Type-R?!?


I know pads have been discussed at length on here (I've been reading brake threads for about an hour), but it seems to have been mainly with a view to track applications and ultimate stopping power...I'm more interested in pedla feel and dust than something that'll stop the car like a brick wall.

Thanks guys,

M.


* I've come to the conclusion that I've either got track-spec pads on or the pads I have got have been glazed at some point. DTM seemed happy with them for 'ring-work 2 years ago...but that was the N'ring and was 2 years ago...

[Senninha]

Make sure you're sitting down before you price the NSX- R pads :eek:

[NoelWatson]

1) Should an NSX out-brake a DC2 ITR, or vice-versa, or should they be about even? I ask as my 'teg (DS2500 front pads, OE rear-pads, OE disks all-round) stops noticeably quicker than my NSX (Mugen front disks, unkn. rear disks, Pr. Mu pads of unknown spec all round).



What front tyres have you got?

[AR]

On Project Mu B Spec, OEM discs and F1 tyres and it stops really well!

[havoc]

Paul - fine, I'll forget about those then!

Noel - RE040's, and they're ~4y.o., so ideally need replacing later this year. I don't think it's front grip that's the problem though, as the ABS doesn't kick-in.


Mu's? Given what the current ones are like I'm a little loath to get another set, even though I know they've got a number of 'grades'. Besides which, aren't they import-only?

[nobby]

hi mate

when you say DS2500 are you referring to the Ferodo pads?
If so i will warn you now, these pads are almost to the standard of rally cars ... i had them in my Evo (370bhp) and they ended up warping my front discs ... as road use they never get up to temperature ... they need to be really used to get best out of them. my evo specialist said they are too hard a pad for everyday road use ... when i saw them pulled out of the car, they had hardly worn but they screwed my discs up ... GUTTED

my advice stay clear of these ... look at the likes of performance friction or EBC or something of that ilk, but dont use the ferodos

my 2p's worth

[NSX 2000]

I think I have Dixcel Type Z pads with NSX-R discs, braided hoses, and a racing brake fluid and the car stops very well, but I will be changing my tyres [brand] when I fit the new wheels.

[Hagasan]

hi mate

when you say DS2500 are you referring to the Ferodo pads?
If so i will warn you now, these pads are almost to the standard of rally cars ... i had them in my Evo (370bhp) and they ended up warping my front discs ... as road use they never get up to temperature ... they need to be really used to get best out of them. my evo specialist said they are too hard a pad for everyday road use ... when i saw them pulled out of the car, they had hardly worn but they screwed my discs up ... GUTTED

my advice stay clear of these ... look at the likes of performance friction or EBC or something of that ilk, but dont use the ferodos

my 2p's worth

I bought Performance Friction pads for my old 147 GTA and they really were great. At the time of purchase I also tried to get a set for the NSX but they were no longer available. That was the info from a pads & discs specialist in the States. The PF's cost me £75 landed and they were £150 over here from the Alfa specialists. If anyone knows of a source then please say so with the p/n. I also fitted DS2500 on the Alfa's rear at the time to balance up the improved fronts and never had any issues but they were only on the rears afterall and not working as hard.

[havoc]

hi mate

when you say DS2500 are you referring to the Ferodo pads?
If so i will warn you now, these pads are almost to the standard of rally cars ... i had them in my Evo (370bhp) and they ended up warping my front discs ... as road use they never get up to temperature ... they need to be really used to get best out of them. my evo specialist said they are too hard a pad for everyday road use ... when i saw them pulled out of the car, they had hardly worn but they screwed my discs up ... GUTTED

my advice stay clear of these ... look at the likes of performance friction or EBC or something of that ilk, but dont use the ferodos

my 2p's worth

I've had no problems at all with them on my ITR - found them excellent from-cold (both bite and feedback), progressive and (for road-use) totally fade-resistant. Only downside is more dust than the OE pads.

Are you sure it wasn't DS3000's you had?!? Because your comments about the 2500's are contrary to EVERYTHING I've read elsewhere...

[AR]

FWIW Mu's B Spec are great accordint to my "home test" better feel than OEM and much more grabbing power.

[markc]

There's a good chance that your current pads are "glazed" or just not right after previous track days.

Given that you've got fresh fluid, new hoses and re-furbed calipers I'd put in a fresh set of new OEM pads and take it from there.

Cheers

Mark

[vtecdirect]

DS2500's are an excellent pad,good even coefficient across the temp range so good cold and even better Hot. As said a little dusty but that is to be expected from a race derived pad. DS3000's are the disc killer, would stay away from those on a road car.
NSX should not really outbreak a DC2, the teg is much lighter and fwd helps load up front brakes better.
Happy to quote on pads for your car, Carry DS2500 in stock, and OEM, and can get all grades of Project Mu, or Mugen, dixcel etc etc.

[nobby]

defo 2500's mate ... i read all about them too before i bought them. I just dont want you making the mistake i did; but by the looks of it u had experience before ... I CAN honestly tell you they are a very hard pad and suited to very fast driving ... when they came off my car they had hardly been worn ... they just messed my discs up. my mitsi specialist explained all the reasons where i had went wrong in my purchase. wish i had taken pictures of them now for you

i thought they were the bees knees after doing all the research but they ended up costing me more longer term

I am just sharing my experience, not sure how they would cope on an NSX but i for one will NOT be buying 2500's for a road car ever again

up to you mate ... just offering my take ... your decision at end of day

regards



I've had no problems at all with them on my ITR - found them excellent from-cold (both bite and feedback), progressive and (for road-use) totally fade-resistant. Only downside is more dust than the OE pads.

Are you sure it wasn't DS3000's you had?!? Because your comments about the 2500's are contrary to EVERYTHING I've read elsewhere...

[dan the man]

a lot use 2500s as seem to be good. wonder what happened in your case....

As for which mu pads i bought i cant recall...but they were awesome. maybe some high speed stomps could deglaze them as the discs are slotted right??

hope the old girl is serving u well!

[havoc]

NSX should not really outbreak a DC2, the teg is much lighter and fwd helps load up front brakes better.

OK, that makes me feel a little better.

I'll have a think...might be worth seeing if the pads will de-glaze first, then going from there...