Someone got a bargain

[nakamichi]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120573663228&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

[havoc]

No kidding.

Looks like it needs some TLC and a good overhaul, but still...that's got to be ~£4-5k under book!

[Silver Surfer]

It's an Auto so I think it's price is about right in it's present condition.

SS

[TheSebringOne]

I think its a bargain if mechanically sound. Just needs a fresh front end paint job, mirrors relacquer & some oem wheels. May be 2K to 3K amount of work?

[Nick Graves]

I know some do it to Preludes, but is conversion of an NSX from slushbox to crunch stick feasible or just too involved/expensive?

I did think about that lovely silver '02 -T, which had the wrong driveline in it.

[Rob_Fenn]

I suppose it is a bargain, but i would never consider an auto, let alone an import one. For me it would be like buying a 308 GT4 just for the sake of owning a Ferrari.

[Papalazarou]

I suppose it is a bargain, but i would never consider an auto, let alone an import one. For me it would be like buying a 308 GT4 just for the sake of owning a Ferrari.

Come on guys, less of the auto bashing.
I always liked the GT4. Even the Mondial was better looking than people gave it credit. For though the best looking Ferrari was the 328.

Cheers,

James

[Nick Graves]

I had an X-1/9, so I cannot diss the GT/4. Even the boot release was the same.

The Mondial looked unbalanced until they colour-coded the black rear window surround & stopped it looking like a Metro HLE. Interesting to compare one to an Evora, I suppose.

The 328 was always my dream car. Until some bloody Japanese upstart came along and exploded the mythos a bit.

I suppose I ought to try an NSX auto one day. I like good slushboxes, but it just seems wrong on an NSX. Actually, no; I can see the point in an NSX 3.2 for charging, and an NSX-T auto for cruising. I'm gonna have to get me a bigger garage...

[Rob_Fenn]

The thing is, it's not even a good auto. It was a sell out for the American market. To not drive a manual NSX is to miss out on a huge chunk of the experience, it's one of the defining features. What can i say, i'm a purist!

I kind of like Nick's idea, but if i wanted a cruiser, i'd get one built for the job. To be fair, i've not actually had a manual road car for a few years now. I'm not a romantic set in my ways, i just feel the NSX has a specific character/role.

[markc]

Come on guys, less of the auto bashing.
I always liked the GT4. Even the Mondial was better looking than people gave it credit. For though the best looking Ferrari was the 328.

Cheers,

James

I must be one of the very few who prefer the 308GT4 to the 308/328GTB/GTS :)

It's very popular in Japan to convert auto NSXs to manuals so it's a well understood and trodden path.

If you think about how many sports/super cars are now ordered with automated transmissions, I include SMG/F1/E-Gear/R-Tronic/DSG etc, it shows that most drivers now prefer to have the gears selected for them. I don't understand why myself as interacting with the clutch and gear lever are fundamental to the driving experience.

The problems with the auto NSX is that it has less power and only gets 4 ratios.

Cheers

Mark

[Papalazarou]

he Mondial looked unbalanced until they colour-coded the black rear window surround & stopped it looking like a Metro HLE. Interesting to compare one to an Evora, I suppose.


I'm not sure what the obsession is with the Evora. English journos seem to forgive it it's considerable shortcoming, perhaps because it's a Lotus or because it's supposed to handle sublimely. However, it's still a car made of GRP with a crap gearbox, underpowered engine and dubious build quality. It's also pitched at the same price as much better products.

Nick, I agree about the 328. I had a ride in one a while back. It's a really pretty car but just didn't impress. However, it really is getting on now. The first 308's arrived mid 70's.
I'm also aware that it takes a while to really appreciate any particular car and a half hour passenger ride is hardly the basis for an objective point of view.
On the other hand, the 328's shortcomings are pre NSX. i.e, they didn't know any better. What's Lotus's excuse?


Cheers,


James.

[Nick Graves]

:D

I think you need to drive an Evora! I personally consider most of the cars in its price range to be overrated or just boring crap. The only one which was really exciting was the TVR Tuscan S and look what became of that!

A lot of the Evora is actually made of SMC bonded over the same stuff the NSX is made of - ally.

It suffers from some oddly kit-car ergonomics and rubbish door seals like a 10 Y/O NSX, but for a low volume product it's really not bad at all.

TBH, the bit I really don't like is the Toyota engine - it's efficient, but boring.

Ultimately I bought the Honda, but the Evora's really quite good. Room for the dog in the back, too.

AND it avoida than incapable of thinking outside the box accusation of Porsche

[nationofzeros]

I had an X-1/9, so I cannot diss the GT/4. Even the boot release was the same.

The Mondial looked unbalanced until they colour-coded the black rear window surround & stopped it looking like a Metro HLE. Interesting to compare one to an Evora, I suppose.

The 328 was always my dream car. Until some bloody Japanese upstart came along and exploded the mythos a bit.

I suppose I ought to try an NSX auto one day. I like good slushboxes, but it just seems wrong on an NSX. Actually, no; I can see the point in an NSX 3.2 for charging, and an NSX-T auto for cruising. I'm gonna have to get me a bigger garage...

Nick, sorry to come across all 'trainspotter' but the rear 'buttress covers' on the Mondial were always matt black, all the way up to the Mondial t. I should know as I 've had the dubious experience of respraying mine 3 times only for the underlying rubberised plastic to bubble merrily when left outside on a hot summer's day....



Beware those which have been body colour coded (and the sills) - in my view they make the car look a real porker...

[NoelWatson]

I think you need to drive an Evora!
TBH, the bit I really don't like is the Toyota engine - it's efficient, but boring.



When they bring out a ~320bhp version, I think it will be worth a look.

[Nick Graves]

Nick, sorry to come across all 'trainspotter' but the rear 'buttress covers' on the Mondial were always matt black, all the way up to the Mondial t. I should know as I 've had the dubious experience of respraying mine 3 times only for the underlying rubberised plastic to bubble merrily when left outside on a hot summer's day....



Beware those which have been body colour coded (and the sills) - in my view they make the car look a real porker...

Odd; I must've seen a colour-coded t somewhere then. Or my memory is going...

I can understand painting the sills would be a bad idea.

[gumball]

:D

I think you need to drive an Evora!



Well at least then you can't see the thing.

[Papalazarou]

Well at least then you can't see the thing.

I don't hate the way it looks. I just don't see how they can justify mid 50's for a glorified kit car.
For the same money, you can buy;

Boxster Spider
Nissan Gtr (well nearly)
Cayman S
M3

All these cars are much better built and offer a lot of performance. I'm sure the Evora's great to drive, but build quality is a big part of the package for me which is why I drive an NSX and not a Lotus.
I really like Exige, but again, it's a lot of money for what it is and there is no excuse for the kind of shortcomings these cars have at their respective pricepoints. Screw character (read faults) , give me something well built that works.


Cheers,


James

[Nick Graves]

The Insane seems to have ridiculous running costs; caution should be exercised.

Like the NSX, the Evora is truly involving to drive, which the others aren't. The Boxster's pretty good, but it's a little sterile unless you really rag it. By which time you're going a bit fast.

But yes, the Evora ain't no Honda and I do have certain reservations about that. Not reliability itself; I mean those slightly 'homebuilt' shortcomings. There's a lot to be said when your switchgear & stuff is purloined from Civics & Accords & Legends...

But there's something 'special' about home-made cars like Loti & TVRs & Bristols. Only the NSX squares the circle between that and Honda dependability. Not to mention the occasional RMS issues and a few M3 reliability quirks too!

[AR]

Evora, all the problems of a semi kit ( Noble ) car without the Power. Pease do not give me the purist feedback crap, everyone love to be able to floor it and feel the TQ, don't kid yourselves.

[havoc]

Only the NSX squares the circle between that and Honda dependability. Not to mention the occasional RMS issues and a few M3 reliability quirks too!

:cough:

Suspension adjustment bolts
Crank Pulley

;)

Honda (and Toyota) are probably the best, but they're not perfect. And the downside there is there are very few proper specialists out in the market to help you, unlike every other performance marque...

[AR]

:cough:

Suspension adjustment bolts
Crank Pulley

;)

...

Only a few NSX have had those problems. It is more a case of the car's getting old.

Now if we talk about rear coils and water ingress that is another story...

[Nick Graves]

The crank pulley's not major - if caught in time. Prelude owners ought to know!

The suspension adjusters is a shocking piece of beancounter cheeseparing. S2000 owners know!

The lack of specialists is interesting; there are so few cars here, Kaz is probably enough. Had Honda actually run with the idea, maybe there'd be a few more. The US/JDM tuner scene equally does not apply ti other Hondas over here, where only Civics are driven by blue dandelion-heads...

Noble my arse!

[Sudesh]

back up forsale

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1993-HONDA-NSX-SUPER-CAR-SALE-SOLD-NO-RESERVE-/120583940787?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item1c135ceab3#ht_558wt_1137

[nakamichi]

same seller,so the buyer first time round must have pulled out for some reason.

[Pampos]

so i guess it doesn't worth it to risk it buying it,get it to Cyprus without seeing it first,right? :)

[Sudesh]

so i guess it doesn't worth it to risk it buying it,get it to Cyprus without seeing it first,right? :)

It depends on what price it sells for and how much work it needs and what your prepared to spend to make right. For me it needs:

1.The rear fog light removed, bumper repaired and if your country requires a fog light then have it installed in the real light cluster
2.Front lip spoiler
3.Front badge
4.Front Fogs removed or lined up correctly
5.Front Towing Eye Cover
6.Front bumper repaired and resprayed as number plate looks like its been screwed into the nose
7.Front Number Plate Holder
8.Original Wheels
9.Antenna repaired/replaced or removed
10.Auto gear shift lever replaced to oem

Then you have what the seller mentioned about lacquer peeling and faded panels, so repair needed there. Also they said last service was in 22/11/08 at 84,410, car now has 108,000 [maybe more depending if it's still been driven] so personally I would do another service. Car has the bonus of having the timing belt changed 24/08/2007 at 68681 miles, so that doesnt need done, but I would check to see if the crankshaft pulley was changed and water pump at that time.

I would hazard a guess that the car has never seen the coolant pipe service/replacement along with header tank so I would budget for that too.

After that I would just check the usual things, Brakes/Tires/Bose sound system working or not? Climate control working ok? auto box and EPS working smoothly. I guess I would go through Kaz's Heath Check and my Refresh threads to give you the best idea at what could be needed.

If you were keen on the car, maybe someone could take a look at it for you if it wasnt too far away from them.

[Nick Graves]

What he say.

IF the chassis is straight, etc, and you want a resto project, then it's probably worth a punt.

But not before someone close to Chesterfield's had a look at it for you.

[Pampos]

Thanks guys very very much....I guess it is better not to try at all as it needs too much work,and it is AT....except if he is going to sell it for 2-3k so i will do so :) :)
Seriously now i guess it is better to find a clean car just to be sure that everything it is OK

Thanks once again guys very very much ;)

[Nick Graves]

There are a couple of older NSX-Ts for sale - maybe one of those might be a good move for sunny Cyprus?

[Pampos]

There are a couple of older NSX-Ts for sale - maybe one of those might be a good move for sunny Cyprus?
That's great!!! Any more infos about them? ;)

[Nick Graves]

That's great!!! Any more infos about them? ;)

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/list.asp?s=328

There's one at the bottom for £20,000. Don't know anything about them though.

[Sudesh]

Its also not a 1993 car, its a 1991 car!



Thanks guys very very much....I guess it is better not to try at all as it needs too much work,and it is AT....except if he is going to sell it for 2-3k so i will do so :) :)
Seriously now i guess it is better to find a clean car just to be sure that everything it is OK

Thanks once again guys very very much ;)

[Pampos]

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/list.asp?s=328

There's one at the bottom for £20,000. Don't know anything about them though.
I saw them mate!!!Thanks...
They are both very nice....
I will try to find out more details for them ..Thanks again ;)

[Pampos]

Its also not a 1993 car, its a 1991 car!
Thanks very much..The older the better for me though but for sure not that car (the ebay listed ) ;)

[nakamichi]

sold for even less than the last time!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120583940787&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

[gumball]

On autotrader again I think..

[havoc]

On autotrader again I think..

That doesn't sound good.

Maybe someone should change the thread title to 'someone got a whole heap of trouble'?!?

[Nick Graves]

...trouble always comin' my way.

Maybe we ought to have some kind of dog & bargepole register?

Great name for a pub, that!

[Pampos]

And it is more expensive now than when it sold on ebay....

[havoc]

...trouble always comin' my way.

Maybe we ought to have some kind of dog & bargepole register?

Great name for a pub, that!
I'm smiling thinking of a suitable sign right now...

[gumball]

There is another NSX used car guide in Autocar this week.
That car is listed as a possible bargain...