Nsx-r

[Marky]

I went to look at the NA2 NSX-R for sale last week. I have a black 2005 NSX and it is a totally different car! It rides much much firmer than the standard car. It is much louder. I never got to drive it but it doesn't have PAS, so I assume this is pretty uncomfortable around town. It's not for me, I prefer my car, especially as I use it a lot in town. The NSX-R is like the 911 GT3 RS, a pure race car and great for a track. Great recaros though :D but I didn't like the white wheels. Thought you might like to see some photos.

[Silver Surfer]

Did the car look tired and worn?

Your NSX looks very much like a Ferrari 430 spyder...;):laugh:

SS

[TheSebringOne]

Marky, who is selling the car, where is the car being sold and whats the mileage?

[NSX 2000]

Did the car look tired and worn?

SS

It looks like it has had a good valet. I'm guessing that the current owner has asked a specialist garage to sell it for them :dunno:

Paul

[Marky]

the car is being advertised on Du Pont registry for $190,000

[Sagacitas]

The current Top Gear mag has a piece about the demise of the Type Rs that includes some pictures and a little text about this car.

Richard

[Lankstarr]

Is that just to show you what else you could buy for the same money LOL

I have to admit the NSX-R looks very dated next to the F430 and I'm not a fezza fan!

Surprised not to see the NSX-R steering wheel?

L*

[Silver Surfer]

I have to admit the NSX-R looks very dated next to the F430 and I'm not a fezza fan!

L*

You are just used to seeing the NSX......Big lard arses look modern because that is the current trend..no? ;)

SS

[JQD84983]

You are just used to seeing the NSX......Big lard arses look modern because that is the current trend..no? ;)

SS

Couldn't agree more and the F430 looks crap against the 458.

Its essentially a 21 year old design now and for me still holds its own.;)

[Marky]

I think the NSX-R holds its own too, even next to the Ferrari, but you really need to be in the mood to drive the Honda. It has no power steering, sits so low to the ground that you feel every little bump, and is extremely loud. The advantage of modern cars, the F430 included, is that technology in suspension has come a long way since the 1990's. The F430 is designed to take the bumps on UK roads, and the settings on the steering wheel allow you to drive in rain without too much drama. Have you tried to drive an NSX hard in the rain :eek:. I love the NSX-R, but its a track car, and a very expensive one at that :D

Attached some recent photos....

[markc]

It rides much much firmer than the standard car. It is much louder. I never got to drive it but it doesn't have PAS, so I assume this is pretty uncomfortable around town. It's not for me, I prefer my car, especially as I use it a lot in town. The NSX-R is like the 911 GT3 RS, a pure race car and great for a track. Great recaros though :D but I didn't like the white wheels.


It has no power steering, sits so low to the ground that you feel every little bump, and is extremely loud...

Sounds like you need an NSX Type S. Suspension more suited to road (but great on track), PAS as an option (most have it), those same carbon Recaros and grey/silver wheels :)

OK, they're still noisy due to the same lack of sound proofing as the NSX-R... but what a noise! :cool:

Cheers

Mark

[Lankstarr]

Loving the rear arches on the porky... makes the rear look really porky:)

Mark - are you keeping the black NSX now then? Is that why you haven;t replied to my pm!?

Cheers,

Luke

[gumball]

Haha, worried about lack of PAS!? maybe you should let your husband drive!?

[Kaz-kzukNA1]

I think the NSX-R holds its own too, even next to the Ferrari, but you really need to be in the mood to drive the Honda. It has no power steering, sits so low to the ground that you feel every little bump, and is extremely loud. The advantage of modern cars, the F430 included, is that technology in suspension has come a long way since the 1990's. The F430 is designed to take the bumps on UK roads, and the settings on the steering wheel allow you to drive in rain without too much drama. Have you tried to drive an NSX hard in the rain :eek:. I love the NSX-R, but its a track car, and a very expensive one at that :D

Attached some recent photos....
As some of the prospective owners could be reading this thread, I would like to share my experience and personal thoughts on the point regarding driving NSX in the rain/wet condition.

As my personal view, as long as your alignment is adjusted properly and most importantly, your tyre is not worn out, driving NSX in the rain very hard even on the track or proving ground is much easier than driving some of the models from Ferrari especially the old ones.

I have tested many NSX in the past for R&D projects and I felt the same as above at that time.

Recently, I tested several NSX including NA2 Type-R on the same day on the same track/place/course including the water sprayed skid pad and snow covered down slope and I still felt the same.

In fact, NA2 Type-R was much easier to control even in the wet condition against normal coupe on skid pad.


When someone visits my place for alignment setup, considering the UK road, weather and depending on the owner’s driving style and original setup/spec of his/her NSX, I normally make small adjustment on the factory setup.

On my NSX, I have replaced the tyre recently and carried out the alignment with my setup and after running in the tyre and playing with the tyre pressure for a while, I drove it hard enough (for me) and I’m happy to say that I’m comfortable to drive NSX in the rain/wet condition.

In fact, it's my every day car so it is also used throughout the winter as well and for 16 years, I'm happy with it.


Regards,
Kaz

[AR]

Non PAS, No TCS, good alignement, good tyres and you can drive the NSX in the rain no problems.

[markc]

[/FONT] Recently, I tested several NSX including NA2 Type-R on the same day on the same track/place/course including the water sprayed skid pad and snow covered down slope and I still felt the same.

In fact, NA2 Type-R was much easier to control even in the wet condition against normal coupe on skid pad.

At a test facility with smooth slippery road surfaces as described above and when you're actively trying to break traction in a turn and therefore expecting to slide and create oversteer, a more stiffly sprung car will almost always be easier to control. A softer sprung car will roll more and any oversteer moments harder to control as the weight transfers are bigger and less predictable.

In less artificial conditions i.e public roads, stiffly sprung cars tend to snap quickly into a slide so you have to be quick to notice, catch and correct the slide. Softer cars slide more gradually giving the driver more time to react BUT when they get too far out of shape they're harder to correct. I think the standard NSX is a classic case of the latter.


Non PAS, No TCS, good alignement, good tyres and you can drive the NSX in the rain no problems.

Indeed but plenty of NSX's have met their end in ditches or against lamposts or barriers. Very possibly after the driver has thumbed the TCS button and said... "watch THIS"

Cheers

Mark

[Marky]

so is someone going to buy the NA2 NSX-R after all these great reviews? :)

Kaz, I would be interested in getting you to set up my car. Drop me a note with your details.

Luke, I'm keeping my NSX, as managed to hold on to the garage space for another 4 months!

Love the 1989 model 911 Speedster with the Turbo body too. It's so sexy from the rear. I had a black one but had to sell it as the lack of PAS did my neck in! Actually ended up in hospital with three slipped discs in my neck and the neurosurgeon told me to dump the car. Said the lack of PAS was putting pressure on my neck. So I can't look at a car without PAS now, as much as I'm tempted by the NSX-R. I'll just have to learn how to drive my standard NSX in the rain :laugh:

[Marky]

.... some more photos of the Speedster.... the group photo was taken at a large Porsche gathering in Oxford a month ago. Having four Speedsters together is pretty rare. Mine is the one on the far right, the 964 model with Power Steering. Its my weekend car. The NSX is the daily driver :cool:

[AR]

Very possibly after the driver has thumbed the TCS button and said... "watch THIS"

Cheers

Mark

Mark IMHO the NSX TCS is not very good cutting power when you might need it the most.

[NoelWatson]

Mark IMHO the NSX TCS is not very good cutting power when you might need it the most.

Maybe they improved it on the later models, but mine is fine. I have had it flashing away at ~90mph at WOT throttle coming onto the main straight at Vmax and it has been very subtle

[jaytip]

Maybe they improved it on the later models, but mine is fine. I have had it flashing away at ~90mph at WOT throttle coming onto the main straight at Vmax and it has been very subtle
Can somebody please tell me what this means? I have seen it used a few times now and have no idea?

[Rob_Fenn]

Wide Open Throttle.

So who is actually selling the car?

[markc]

Maybe they improved it on the later models, but mine is fine. I have had it flashing away at ~90mph at WOT throttle coming onto the main straight at Vmax and it has been very subtle

I think it was much improved on the DBW (Drive By Wire) cars and the software for DBW/TCS system was improved a few times over the years. It doesn't seem to be possible to update early DBW cars with the later, better software code though.

I can't say I've ever notice that I've triggered TCS on the public road but on circuit it works well on my car. For example accelerating hard in 3rd gear around Club Corner at Silverstone my car is nice and stable with the TCS light flashing away without seeming to hurt forward progress.

Cheers

Mark

[jaytip]

I think it was much improved on the DBW (Drive By Wire) cars and the software for DBW/TCS system was improved a few times over the years. It doesn't seem to be possible to update early DBW cars with the later, better software code though.

I can't say I've ever notice that I've triggered TCS on the public road but on circuit it works well on my car. For example accelerating hard in 3rd gear around Club Corner at Silverstone my car is nice and stable with the TCS light flashing away without seeming to hurt forward progress.

Cheers

Mark
I can't remember if the guy switched the TCS off or not,but i remember the back end coming round quite happily on your car when i took it for a test drive years ago(i was in the passenger seat at the time)
We were on a roundabout and he gunned it,and the car did i nice little drift.

[markc]

I can't remember if the guy switched the TCS off or not,but i remember the back end coming round quite happily on your car when i took it for a test drive years ago(i was in the passenger seat at the time)
We were on a roundabout and he gunned it,and the car did i nice little drift.

No doubt it can be done using a low gear and a tight turn but I've not experienced it on the public road yet myself. I'm constantly amazed at the traction the car finds, with the proviso that the tyres are warm.

At Bedford Autodrome the first corner is a sharp'ish left that opens out at it's exit, similar but a bit slower than Club corner at Silverstone, except that's a right hander. On cold tyres straight out of the pit exit I've had the whole car slithering :) Once the tyres are up to temperature the same turn has the TCS blinking away on the exit, using 2nd or 3rd gear depending on your mood, in a similar way.

Cheers

Mark

[Rob_Fenn]

Is the car still for sale, and is it from the original owner? If so, hasn't it been for sale for the best part of a year?

[NSXGB]

Is the car still for sale, and is it from the original owner? If so, hasn't it been for sale for the best part of a year?

Sold. New owner is now a member on here.

[dan the man]

Id be having the steering wheel out for an R replica for sure....spoils it.

[markc]

Sold. New owner is now a member on here.

Cool, and a warm welcome to the lucky new owner.

Now get it down to TDI (no other dyno will do) and confirm or bust the engine power myth :)

Cheers

Mark